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Riding the Runway: Louis Vuitton and The Cowboys who took Paris
Discover the fusion of high fashion and heartland spirit as we unwrap the western charm of Pharrell's men's ready-to-wear collection for Louis Vuitton. In this episode we get an intimate interview with one of the models and professional cowboys that walked the Louis Vuitton fashion show Ronni Davis.
Ronnie Davis and Chloe of the Oklahoma Cowboys, share their enriching perspective on the Black cowboy heritage in honor of Black History Month. Our conversation gallops from the catwalk to the countryside, exploring the cowboy's role in today's cultural landscape.
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Produced by: Aziza Duniani @woman_Business
Music supervisor: Chic loren @chicloren_
Music by: Gavin Williams @thegavin1
What's up y'all? This is Shee Gloren, and welcome to We8. We're spilling the tea on all things fashion, film and television, giving you an exclusive peek into our perspective on style and design. I am your style and music creative.
Speaker 2:Hi, I'm Isi Chabelle Costin, designer, event Producer and all around Professional Dot Connector.
Speaker 3:Yes, girl, hey, hey, hey y'all, happy Saturday. This is Aziza Shadungiani, producer, host of this here podcast. We were back for another week. We got a couple of ladies missing. We'll wait for Mia She'll be rolling in shortly, but we wanted to get the ball rolling on this conversation. So this week we're talking about Men's Ready to Wear. Pharrell just had his Lea Vuitton Fall Winter Ready to Wear Men's Fashion Show and we have an exclusive interview with one of the models, who is also a cowboy and a part of the Oklahoma Cowboys Organization. So it should be a fun episode. Let's start it off. How are y'all doing, girls? Good? How are y'all Doing good? I'm all right, I'm good. I feel like I'm better today than I usually am. On Saturday. I usually start off a little bit flustered, a little bit all over the place, and today I'm feeling settled. Thank you to my man.
Speaker 2:I was about to say that's the reason.
Speaker 3:Thank you to my man for helping me do the setup today, so I didn't have to do all the things. And then I just slowed the fuck down this morning and did not wake up in a tizzy. How you doing, sheika, you mom in over there.
Speaker 1:No, I'm looking at messages. My dude just sent me some wild shit. I'm like get the fuck out of here Annoying. Yeah, I do, I'm going to the game tonight Hawks game. One of my friends is in town and they happen to have an extra ticket and it's a really good seat. They were like well, I don't really have a whole lot of people out here outside of like his cousins and shit. So he was like yo, you want to come, I'm here. I'm like, ok, yeah, I do, she chaps, you know it's a man. So I got to run there by my man, my man, my man, my man. So it's not a thing when somebody sees me outside or whatever.
Speaker 1:You know he was cool, but then he sends me this shit, Uh-oh.
Speaker 3:Wait, do we need to send it to me? Let me put it. Ok, let me let the people hear it I'm going to send it to you.
Speaker 1:Is it audio? It is an Instagram reel, OK. And then it says this better not be one of these situations at the game.
Speaker 3:Oh, maybe we don't need to hear it. No, go ahead, you sent it to me, yeah.
Speaker 1:I sent it to we ate.
Speaker 3:Ok, let's see what they talk. Let's see what my man, my man, my man.
Speaker 1:It's a little bit. I don't know whether it's disrespectful or to laugh or if. Well, we going to see, you know it is slightly Him.
Speaker 3:Oh, he's the homie. I've known him since I was in elementary school.
Speaker 1:He's the homie. Are you kidding me? He's like my brother, he's the homie. Hey him, Please.
Speaker 3:he's the homie Girl, uh-oh.
Speaker 5:What the fuck.
Speaker 3:Let me just describe. Ok, if you have not seen this, you just heard it. What the fuck In between the? Just the homie she is galking down on this little cute couple Out of pocket it's giving. I'm cool, but I ain't cool. Yeah, like, don't send me, it's OK.
Speaker 1:I'm going, you should go, I am going.
Speaker 3:Because you said to go.
Speaker 2:Exactly, you said, I can go.
Speaker 1:Not to mention like this is somebody giving me a seat that you don't want to go to waste?
Speaker 3:No, I'm going yeah, treat yourself, don't treat yourself.
Speaker 1:So I'm ahead of them with a child.
Speaker 2:Child boo. You're going to have to get you closer to the court. Well, now it's pressure on him. Yeah, now we're rushing.
Speaker 1:You know, we just Uh-huh Right down here. Don't you send me to the no damn nosebleed? Ok, oh my God, don't you send me.
Speaker 3:Ok, yeah, you have to put me right, right under the hoop. Matter of fact, put me with a cameraman seat. Ok, let me be real fly that day.
Speaker 1:Oh what?
Speaker 3:you. Well, I was going to ask what you going to wear, but you can't step out more than when you stepped out too much. Change your shoe.
Speaker 1:Keep it. So I am going to change only because, like I'm cute, you too, and it's cold. Let's just be fucking clear it is cold out here. What's the highest? Or it was like what 18 degrees this morning.
Speaker 6:And like eight nine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's cold so.
Speaker 3:First of all, our household. We was blowing smoke rings. This morning, when we caught up Also let me be clear Nothing is 41 degrees in my house because we've had that. We have something going on with our furnace. We have multiple people come out.
Speaker 1:Not the time.
Speaker 3:They can't fix it. So the only thing that's warm is our owner suite. Meanwhile downstairs is ice fucking cold. We do like your mama do and open up.
Speaker 1:Open up.
Speaker 2:It's only going to go so far. Yeah, because that what's that thing called carbon monoxide. You got carbon monoxide beeper thingy. It's not supposed to be, but what's it called alarm?
Speaker 3:Let me tell you it's probably carbon monoxide through the roof.
Speaker 2:OK, but we've got to turn. You got to buy one if you want to do that oven thing Hell.
Speaker 3:Listen, we just do it when we downstairs, but really we don't be downstairs because we work in. So it's a thing. Hey, mia girl, she just stepped in here with this fur what's up? And her boots. What's this fur Girl? Why do people? I feel like every round there's a coordinating factor.
Speaker 2:There's like a yeah, you're coordinating a little bit. You got three, I got the baby.
Speaker 5:She got the baby. Ok, hi, girl, how you?
Speaker 3:doing.
Speaker 1:We got tight song. Good, Let me tell you.
Speaker 3:I see is Fendi down. Ok, got the monogram. Shiny pants on what you got on, girl, because I want to see Strap there.
Speaker 2:Tell the people what you got on. This is my phone case. I always got on. I don't close. We not doing this? Yes, we are.
Speaker 3:We ate and you ate, and we need to see what you eating in. Ok, I see you not skipping it what you got on, girl.
Speaker 2:Yes, I honestly don't know. I have the pants, I don't. I don't do that, I'm not labels and everything.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not saying labels.
Speaker 2:I'm saying what you got.
Speaker 5:I'm got a whole Fendi Green Monogram, also that Green and black Zebra Zebra.
Speaker 3:Zebra.
Speaker 1:Bitch who are you?
Speaker 4:Zebra.
Speaker 1:That's the fancy zebra.
Speaker 2:Zebra mock neck mesh. Green and black Shirt Moment OK, black Fendi pants that I've had forever. And this green coat who?
Speaker 1:is that you don't know their brand.
Speaker 2:Ok, we can check the tag later.
Speaker 1:Oh, the Johnson or something like that. Check them tags.
Speaker 2:I think it's courtesy of the game actually. Yes, now cook that out. No, they know, they know, they all know the way they first of all.
Speaker 5:The producer definitely know Shots.
Speaker 3:She's sitting somewhere in her courtesy of the games right now. Ok.
Speaker 1:Probably got some good furs. What's some good furs? Who you?
Speaker 3:telling OK.
Speaker 5:You look great, you look great I like the pop of color. You always come very vibrant.
Speaker 3:I think we should go through and everybody should say what they got on. Go ahead, Sheikah girl.
Speaker 1:Well, I have one, this kind of cream. It's like a denim jumpsuit but it's like a cream, or I guess what, before you diet per se A jumpsuit, I think it's by who is it Ever?
Speaker 2:Same Ever Everlane From.
Speaker 1:Everlane, I think you ordered it. I did. Yeah, we had a bunch of these we had to.
Speaker 6:We're supposed to die.
Speaker 5:Pocket watch yeah.
Speaker 6:And this one.
Speaker 1:This one didn't get dyed, which is great. So I have this from Everlane, just a little cute bodysuit that kind of zips up to the neck.
Speaker 3:Quite nice.
Speaker 1:From J Lux Jesus. And then I have a little nylon, knitted or what do we call this Like a cap. It's a cap, but you know it's not Like a beanie.
Speaker 3:It's a beanie, a nylon beanie.
Speaker 1:Nylon beanie and my Y3 boots, courtesy of Adidas and like, these are my favorite. They're super comfortable, desert boot, great desert boot, hiking boots, all the thing. And of course, you know I got my accessories on. I got this really great new ring. It's an amethyst rock ring. It reminds me of those little plastic rings we used to collect back in the day, with all the colors and the swirls. This is real. It's real minerals in this.
Speaker 3:She balanced. It's giving chakras balance with all them rocks.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm just you know, my zodiac sign says turquoise and amethyst are my stones, so nice.
Speaker 2:Sagittarius. I was going to say what's my stone, diamond, diamond.
Speaker 5:Well, this isn't necessarily your birthstone, oh yeah, or of an astrology.
Speaker 1:Like stones that are powerful.
Speaker 3:I'm going to still go diamond Work well with you.
Speaker 1:I'm going to take diamonds.
Speaker 3:I'm going to just snatch them with me. Diamond, what's the green one?
Speaker 6:Emerald, take yourself to sanctuary himself in the West End.
Speaker 3:Yes. Get your crystals, get your diamonds.
Speaker 1:Get your crystals.
Speaker 5:What you got on first. This is this far is very vintage, Like from the maybe 60s, maybe even 50s. I got this from my attorney.
Speaker 3:Mike, our attorney and authenticator. Ain't he an authenticator?
Speaker 2:He is. Yeah, his name is Mike attorney, no Her attorney.
Speaker 3:His name is Mike. His name is Mike.
Speaker 5:My attorney name is Mike. Him and his partner have like a lot of shit Beautiful things, beautiful things. You know beautiful things. So he saw this to me years and years and years ago and I forget who it belonged to Somebody, many. Why I kept this fire. I have this gold tank top Because fire makes me hot, really Like that. Oh yeah, I've run hot.
Speaker 5:So I had to wear a tank I can't wear it like or a T shirt or something that breathable, and some vintage oversized jeans. They are not Levi's and I have on a vintage cow, these are actually men's.
Speaker 2:Those are nice. What are these called?
Speaker 5:Paces Like a Chelsea boot. They're men's Chelsea. I can wear men's size 6 and 1 1 half 7. They look very freshly polished. Oh yeah, I found these at clothing warehouse when they used to do those dollar sales at East Point.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we all used to have a bag. Yeah, the bag yeah.
Speaker 5:We had the rummage juice stuff.
Speaker 3:And yeah, that's where.
Speaker 5:Winter got her staff infection. Winter got her staff infection.
Speaker 2:That's it. Let's play her business out. She should have it on the last episode.
Speaker 5:But yeah, that's what I got on, Mostly vintage, like always. Oh, and I'm a Myrie New York hat that I got from a and good. I'm sorry, not a Myrie, I'm mainly on Doray. Ok yeah, I'm a Leon Doray, which is great yeah he's based out of Queens, he's based out of New York and he's somewhere in Soho, off a Mott, I think, street.
Speaker 3:I like the texture.
Speaker 5:New York hats or LA hats.
Speaker 3:I've seen somebody with like a what is it called Crushed velvet velour. I like it when people freak that you know I'm about to make one.
Speaker 2:That's on my DIY list because, I can't find I don't want New York, of course, and I don't even wear hats.
Speaker 6:I don't know why.
Speaker 2:No, I want Atlanta one. Ok, I'm going to. I already got my materials. I'm going to. A Burgani Crushed Velvet hat with the A with pearls oh, that sounds cute.
Speaker 3:The pearls sound real cute. I told you it's how it mits out.
Speaker 1:I like what I'm. A Leon did with New Balance a while back.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he's debatable, but I love his stuff.
Speaker 1:What you got on. What you got on your nails look good, oh these press on.
Speaker 3:I pressed on my nails like I don't know, maybe the man's right there though, and then it broke.
Speaker 2:You got to defend all your honor. I didn't see that one. I'm just be looking out for a Z. I see was like girl. I thought it was the tall, long like doing different shapes.
Speaker 3:I'm like, wouldn't the world?
Speaker 2:Because that's in now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is a thing, Not for this. So I felt in theme of our show of watching the.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I ain't saying nothing in the group chat First of all you said you was going, I thought we was doing mob wives.
Speaker 3:You said you was going to do vintage based off of the notes. You were going to do all of the trending things. You sure did say that. I did say that I didn't say in what order, which one.
Speaker 2:But I did no, no, no.
Speaker 6:I did say that and I already have all the looks.
Speaker 2:I got my preppy. It was too cold. For all that, I got all of my looks that based off of our train projections Our train projections. But at the last minute I put this on because this is what I had ready to go and everything else will make me late.
Speaker 3:So I was talking to me yesterday and I was very like every week I don't know what to put on because I have a lot to do before we even get here and I'm working at night so I just cannot find the time to sit down and feel creatively inspired. So, I watched the show in the shower. I watched the winter fall men's show in the shower today and I was like, oh, I'm going to do a little Western moment.
Speaker 1:It was inspirational?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was inspirational and you know, today we got the opportunity to actually interview one of the models from the leave it's home show, who is an actual cowboy. So your girl had to come correct. So I put on my israel moran cowboy, which I love they trusty dusties.
Speaker 3:And then my vintage Levi Like bootcut pant that I got from Brittany McLeod who sources Vintage Levi's and sells them at a lot, like you know pop-ups and stuff. And then I just did like a white tee, this asos plaid Blazer that has like some funky stuff on the back you can't see it. And then brown, big brown Gucci, fur Gucci. Come on, your savant studios. Oh, and my savant studios hat, yeah, cuz I don't know what to do my hair so, but I love it Just looked it back and put it in a ponytail and said this is gonna be the thing.
Speaker 3:And then when I watched the show, I said, oh, this is yeah yeah this is in do that coat is great.
Speaker 1:It's keeping me warm.
Speaker 5:Nice, nice here. And the beautiful thing about these cowboy boots they get better when they get old. Yeah.
Speaker 3:They start to work in, they work in, they just.
Speaker 5:I mean and isabel moran has that little special triangular heel.
Speaker 3:Yep, I just it's really nice and they're so comfortable I could wear them all day. The only thing is the bottom, because the bottom is still that like I don't know wood, leather, whatever. It's so slippery. I fell coming in here so I had to put grips.
Speaker 5:On the bottom. What my husband does, I'm learning is from him. Every time he gets a new pair of shoes, he's takes it straight to the cobbler. He's that dude, he's like gentlemen doing things all the time, but he takes him to the cobbler and he gets them resold.
Speaker 3:Oh, nice, mm-hmm, I think it's gonna have. Yeah, I'm gonna have to do it because I've worn them down now, but they're still like you know, clearly they got some wear in them, but great, yeah, I like them a lot. Um, so what do you, ladies, think of Pharrell's? I Want to want to call it for rails, but leave a time's. Winter, fall. 2024 collection. Men's collection.
Speaker 5:Mm-hmm show. I I mean, I personally really, really was inspired by it. You know, everyone knows, I got this thing for cowboys. I just think they're the most sexiest, like that's. Remember I told you to watch a yellow stone because these cowboys are running around. I love to see a man work doing work with their hands dirty.
Speaker 5:Yeah, oh, that is so sexy to me, and like the hat and the rugged jeans, and so I'm into the Western cowboy culture. No matter how much it has been done, mm-hmm, I feel like Pharrell is the one to do it, because and it was interesting, that is, that a loop is Louis Vuitton, because it's a Parisian house right, so it's not very it's not American culture?
Speaker 1:It's not.
Speaker 5:Anyway. So I like the fact that it was a Parisian home, louis Vuitton, showing Western. Not well, paris is we Western, but showing American aware, yeah, and then that he, and what American creative. Just put an American creative director, who is black because, you know, the original cowboys were black the buffers exactly.
Speaker 5:And also he's paying homage to the Lakota and Dakota tribes who did a lot of the embroidery, that turquoise that you saw in a lot of those pieces were you know, in response to them, I mean, there, there's, there are people and homage, and they actually came out at the end of the show Played their drums. Yes, he had a like a mixture of our culture native, and then, of course, y'all not been into all the native shit you know from the killers of the flower moon will get into later. Yeah, killers of the flower moon, to that first episode of the stuff on HBO, would us true? Detective Mm-hmm was very native. Yeah, fargo, which I finished extremely to me it was very near echo was very native. Fargo was native in a sense. So it's. I mean, yeah, I loved it, I liked it, I saw. Oh, one more thing, and there were wearable pieces.
Speaker 3:Absolutely and.
Speaker 5:I saw everything that could be broken.
Speaker 6:Yeah, warrant is separate.
Speaker 5:Yeah everything was wearable. Yeah, as opposed to yeah.
Speaker 3:I think you ain't got say yeah, I think that Um one thing for real has been doing with a lot of his shows. One is like creating this like all-encompassing experience with the music, with the artistry, like the visuals of the set and the you know showcasing of the clothes, which is great. Sometimes things get lost in the sauce a little bit. I didn't like that like digital print moment. That was a little too much.
Speaker 1:I didn't like. I liked it on the first Round show the first round the way it was done. I didn't like it on the bags yeah, it looked too. Yeah, it just didn't look clean.
Speaker 3:He even did it on this show and it was so nice and subtle and it made me think of like we had this conversation of vintage last time. It made me think of like the quality of Materials and like going back to that like long lasting, pass down to your kids wear.
Speaker 6:Like you know what?
Speaker 3:I'm saying that was really interesting to me, and then I mean black people like it. But I'm black, okay, they just was beautiful and even very the show. I don't want to put like a Gender thing on it, but it was very masculine as a Men's wear ready with to wear line. Even the, the kilted skirts would look like skirts were actually short.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying, and they were like layered and I just thought it was done so tastefully and yeah, it just was beautiful to me Mm-hmm, it was beautiful to me and shout out to him Also having the Oklahoma Cowboys like actual black cowboys on the runway. Like, you know what I'm saying and mixed in in a way that didn't feel forced you know so, and I think they look great.
Speaker 1:They look fantastic Hello.
Speaker 3:Hello, and they look like that was going to work. I'm gonna take your bitch and I'm gonna work. I'm just saying I think it's a beautiful thing and I feel like he Bringing American wear in a way that is like makes you feel proud, specifically as, like black folk or Native American folk, that you feel proud to see what you is traditionally like yours on a main stage, like that, I think is really beautiful. And then also to incorporate these tribes that don't in a way, that is not what is the term, you know, we appropriation you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Cuz. We talked about this, even with, like Scapparelli and all of these designers, incorporating more African aesthetics. But then it feels like not, we're not also honoring where it came from. Right, and this felt like we're in some way honoring where, the, where all of this stuff came from, and not, you know, bastardizing it for the sake of art.
Speaker 2:You know, because now you stepping on my notes because I had all of that written down. Well, you think steeps you not gonna ARB go ahead? No, I mean, I like that you touched on that, because I actually did have a whole section here in my notes of like appropriation versus appreciation and and we did talk about this when we're talking about the, the African Influence and fashion and runway and stuff these days, let me start by saying, because I'm not the runway show, watch your girl like. If y'all send stuff I'll be like alright, and if it's some weird Rick Owens.
Speaker 6:Adam's family. I'm probably gonna watch it.
Speaker 2:But this one was taken from what you all already said. The clothing was wearable, so I enjoyed that. It's like okay, this ain't some, like you know, fester Adam's shoulder pads and all of that. It was very wearable. It was very well curated from the production design, you know, the snow at the end, the music. It was really really well done, especially for someone who doesn't typically like gravitate to these type of shows. My only thing was the part that you touched on at the end was Appropriation appropriation versus appreciation, and I kind of just want to go a little deeper, like and I haven't done the research or whatever, because I feel like Western is trending right now.
Speaker 2:It's trending and printing our TV shows and our films is trending in fashion and when it started to go from just like Western to like more Native American and that crossover and just thinking about and even we're seeing this in the TV shows and movies and stuff that's a very painful history for a lot of those people a very painful past, of what they went through and without knowing again, like the, the their culture.
Speaker 2:I Just want to be sure the same way with like African influence and fashion and stuff like that, that is not a trend and that it is like paying homage to these tribes and not commercializing their culture.
Speaker 3:So I was gonna just say I think that it's a borderline between the two. Right, because right now in the world, commercial and selling is where that's. That's where we are. Everything is commercial, everything is going to be sold. So, as long as we are giving the respect and due diligence to the people of the craft, right, like you have Lily Gladstone, who is a native woman who grew up with the, with this history, playing in killers of the flower moon, right. So even though these are moments for the public to enjoy as entertainment, the people on the back end are still those of the original people.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying and that's what I mean, like have have like somebody on your staff that's like no, no, no, don't do that, because that's sacred. Don't don't put that there, because that means like something in our culture symbolizes bad luck or death or whatever, and I would hope that at that level he does have somebody there remember I just said that he collaborated with the tribes. To make. I saw them come out at the end.
Speaker 2:The design process right that's I didn't know that part. I saw them physically Included, but what I'm saying is a difference of like Showing the people and making it seem like they were involved in a process, versus having them there as like BG, you know, saying like I didn't know, I didn't read up on so those are two different.
Speaker 5:So those were the musicians that. So Mumford and Sons, the young, everybody know my for the Sun's, did you know where? The traditional Americana band or whatnot, but the he incorporated the drums within the I forget that that tribe, but In terms of the music, but in the design he collaborated with the Lakota and Dakota tribes to do the. Yeah. So I think, for the beautiful thing about Pharrell is that he is so, so smart and very interest, like he understands the importance of that as a brother, as a black man, but with anything We'll, we are Well-read, well educated women who are going to do our research.
Speaker 5:There are going to be some Americans, some heightbeats white boy out there that's going to rock that Louis Vuitton, him embroidered Jacket and have no idea what's what it came from because he's just Doing it. It's a trend, he just punished it on. You know what I mean, but we want to know. I want to know what year you, who you're wearing, as he's asked who you, who you're wearing, you know. I want to know who's the designer, what became of it? Where is this far from what's the history? Because that's what. What's it inspired by? It's an, inspired by something that's For real yeah, and I listen under.
Speaker 2:He came under fire before, like ten years ago, for doing the whole Native American headdress and have to be careful From that. Yeah, and I think if you use it to Educate people who are not of those cultures of light.
Speaker 2:Yo, like this is. This has history behind it, it has emotion behind it's pain behind it, and I think that when fashion houses like this Put that on the forefront and make it mainstream, it does hopefully inspire People to go out and want to learn more about like dang what? Because our textbooks is flawed they ain't really telling a real story. Yeah, so it's good that you know Mainstream media and fashion everybody is kind of picking up on that moment. I just I always have skepticism when it's like everybody is trying to highlight something at one time. It's like, okay, are y'all pandering, are y'all just hopping on? This bandwagon of like yo, you know what's really in right now is like and and you're creating content for that, versus like, no, this is long overdue and he's. These stories, these cultures, these people need to be celebrated.
Speaker 3:So and I think both things can be true, right, because I think on the other side of that, if you are a, a marginalized community that has never had the forefront of the access or or the visibility, it's like, okay, I see, y'all, we're pushing on our, pushing on our culture, but we can make sure that it is as long as it's true. You know, I'm saying whoever's we can't really Gauge how people consume the art, but we can gauge the intent behind putting it out. So, as long as you are the intent of putting it out is like Honest and fair and comes from a genuine good place and it's true, then I think that is the most due diligence we can do, and then as consumers, we'll just have to do, on the back end, the risk do do the due diligence and the respect of knowing the history and the story. Like I just listened to the cutting room floor interview with Pharrell about this, about this collection, and he was saying like, at the end of the day, our, our, our forefathers fought for equality, but I want to fight for equity.
Speaker 3:So, like, outside of just the yeah, okay, you want to put people in the forefront, but like, what do they own, what do they contribute to? The thing is the most important part. So I really think you know kudos to him for really doing that work. And we're speaking on equity. I feel like this is the perfect interlude or segue into our next, the next portion of this episode, which is a very intimate and amazing interview that we had with the Cowboys from the Oklahoma Cowboys, specifically Ronnie Davis and Chloe, who is one of the PR, people, writers, historians with the Oklahoma Cowboys and they get to give us some backstory on not only the Louie Vuitton show and their experience there, but also A little bit of backstory about black cowboys in the United States. And it comes at no better of a time than the beginning of black history month.
Speaker 4:Hey, hey, chloe girl how you doing. You know what I'm doing. Okay, oh, okay, thanks, happy to see you. Yes, I'm happy to see y'all. So Chloe. Uh, what's your affiliation? So, uh, with Oklahoma Cowboys I I kind of do a lot, so I write for Oklahoma Cowboys, I do all of our interviews, I do a lot of our write-ups, I do all of the Resumes for all of the Cowboys.
Speaker 4:So my job is kind of come up with captions for our social media, um, basically everything but nothing all at the same time. I mean, we're a small team but there's a lot to do, and so I'm a writer, but sometimes my job looks like doing a bunch of other stuff too. So I would say, um, media writing, communications, helping with creative concepts, organizing all of the things who, girl, you do it all. I know, so I'm originally from Houston, texas.
Speaker 4:Okay, okay and I lived in Oklahoma for three years. Okay and all I lived in Oklahoma City. That's when I met um Jekhayan, who is the founder of Oklahoma Cowboys, and we've been inseparable ever since. Now I'm based in Dallas, but I moved LA, I've moved to Oklahoma City, now I'm in Dallas and I do plan to move back home to Houston, but, um, right now I'm in grad school and so I'm trying to finish that first, but I go back and forth between Dallas and Oklahoma City quite frequently.
Speaker 3:Uh, it's just a three hour difference, a three hour drive Girl, you do it all and are everywhere all the time, all of my.
Speaker 4:And I'm a teacher, yeah, teacher, high school English.
Speaker 1:Wow, okay, oh then.
Speaker 3:Oh, I see Ronnie just joined us. Hey, ronnie, how you doing.
Speaker 6:I'm doing well hey y'all doing sorry for the late entrance.
Speaker 3:Don't even worry about it. We already met Chloe, hey girl. So I really love to just hop into the conversation. I really appreciate y'all for being here. Um, just a little backstory.
Speaker 3:So we are we eight podcasts a collective of women, creatives, moms, and we love fashion, design and culture, and that's the work world that we work in every day. So we decided to start this podcast to create a community for the perspective of brown girls like us. Um, we stumbled across the Oklahoma Cowboys through the Louis Vuitton fashion show. Of course, we were watching, like the rest of the world, and went to, brought it to our attention that the models that are actually walking in the show are real, live cowboys and are a part of this collective called the Oklahoma Cowboys, and we just had to have you guys on for an interview. Also, you know, we got a little cowgirls in us Also.
Speaker 3:To take it a step deeper, like, if you are going to put on a show of this magnitude, it we're. If we're talking about Native American culture, cowboy culture, new americana, like, incorporate the people who are actually creating and living that culture every day and living these lifestyles every day. And, um, you know Pharrell said out of his mouth is about owners equity, not just quality, and we really thought this was a beautiful expression of that. And so, when we're talking about equity and letting our voice be heard, we really would love to hear from you, ronnie, exactly what your position is with the Oklahoma Cowboys and just a little bit more about your experience.
Speaker 6:I was born in span and uh marino valley, california. And as I, uh, when I moved back here I was maybe about 10 years old and I didn't really know anything about, um, my horse or anything like that, and that's kind of when I began to get into get involved with the horse culture, or you know the rodeo life out here. Uh, in Oklahoma, but uh, that is what kind of led me, uh, I guess, to become a cowboy, and whenever I met the founder of Oklahoma Cowboys about four years ago.
Speaker 6:And uh upon meeting him he had told me he was like man, you know, we, we have to find a way to kind of shed light on this community of of people that we have here, because not not many people at that point, you know, had really known about, you know, the cowboys in Oklahoma. Um, uh, precisely the black cowboys in Oklahoma, shaw saying and uh, I mean a lot of us are, you know, somewhat mixed with. I mean here it's practically everybody makes with some some sort of like Native American, whether you.
Speaker 6:You're enrolled in a tribe or not, and um, I just say that, to say is for me the, the experience, going over to the, the Louis.
Speaker 6:Vuitton past show. Um, it hit home with me a lot because I've been kind of on this embarking journey to bring exposure to the black cowboys here in Oklahoma as well as just the cowboy culture here alone. Um, through many officer me, I guess I've smoothed my life like I played college football at University of Kansas and that was kind of they're welcoming Uh me to their university and they put in the papers that you know I was a fan of rodeo and I rodeo. I was somewhat on the wrong side of the border because, um, kansas State is a, is a, is a basically a rural school or agriculture school and uh, that's somewhat like that my background. To sum up, I guess where I am now.
Speaker 6:Um, I took on the uh professional journey of rodeo and last year I became a professional, uh, just in a in a class which was um cowfrope and it's what I do outside of puny spreads. And, uh, I partnered with Oklahoma Cowboys about years ago, as whenever he started the, the founded and I was one of kind of one of the first guys he started would actually come out and cover. I kind of feel like I was getting overly saturated. You know, I and there was more, it was more people out there that needed to. You know they needed the same sort of you know light shined on them that didn't have the resources.
Speaker 6:And then I went to kind of mention and him other cowboys like there were, you know, doing other disciplines that were already professionals. You know, puny express is just, is just an Oklahoma grown um sport. You know that we're we're basically working day in, day out to professionalize so it can be a professional discipline but like the, the poor sports of rodeo, it's more like the calf or open bull rides to wrestling, things like that, which right here in Oklahoma we actually have national champions and world champions here and uh, a lot of people don't know that because you know we're in small Oklahoma, then we don't really get a lot of exposure here. So what jacquain did uh Was phenomenal whenever he kind of put together this, this Oklahoma Cowboys platform, because it Not only did it kind of help catapult what we were doing here On that national level.
Speaker 6:But it also gave other cowboys, um, somewhat a voice as well as exposure also, and uh it, it started to show the world, or kind of you know, the states, that hey, oklahoma has something going on that we need to, we need to go see what basically what. What it's about? Definitely, definitely, definitely. So uh, I say that to say like it's, it's all somewhat coming full circle because, uh, last year I picked up Wrangler, which is, uh basically a household western brand in the united states, yeah, as a sponsor, and uh it, it just basically came from exposure. You know, I don't know what it was through.
Speaker 6:You know just just just from like social media exposures, basically how they found me. And then, uh, they introduced pony express to their platform and a lot of people became interested in that sport also. Well, that sport, the heritage of it, it derives from Native Americans too. So this, it keeps the Native American culture tied into the black cowboy as well. So, yeah, and it just it was kind of breathtaking whenever the opportunity was presented to me to actually go to Paris and walk in this Louis Vuitton fashion show, I tried to shoot for the stars, but I never would have thought of something like that. I mean, for one, I don't consider myself a model at all, no matter what people say. It's just like man, I don't know, I always feel awkward in front of the camera so I'm like I don't do it.
Speaker 3:Now, not to take you all the way off the rails, but I think, based off of what I've seen with your work with the National Cowboy Museum and being an orator of the history and not just wanting to spotlight the Oklahoma Cowboys but Black Cowboys as a whole and put you all on a main stage, and even in that discomfort, clearly you are the right person to do it. I mean, as soon as the spotlight has been shined on you, you have opened up the space for the information and the spotlight and the awareness to be shown on other people and in other spaces, as well.
Speaker 3:So kudos to you for doing the job and doing the work.
Speaker 6:Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you, and that's always kind of been me, is just the kind of, I guess you like you say the light that shined on me to shine on others. This worked tremendously in our community here, even just as far as the other contestants. I mean now we have, you know, a writing legacy documentary that's going on here.
Speaker 6:That's basically bringing the exposure to the Black Cowboys and the Black Towns here we have this Oklahoma Cowboy nonprofit going on that's now diving into this cowboy culture and giving some of these Cowboys opportunities to work with brands as well as work with organizations that sometimes you know just want to partner. And do you know, maybe you know, do some for children especially needs or, you know, kids with disabilities, like it's a lot that goes into this lifestyle that we are just now becoming able to kind of express. As far as this, to be kind of partnering with the Oklahoma Cowboys, I took it upon myself and you know I want to continue to use, I want to continue to be a best you know.
Speaker 6:Yeah absolutely, and you know this is a platform that can help you know, shed light on what we're doing here, but also stand for you know, all positive things. You know, in my opinion, it was kind of a no-brainer for me to kind of give behind him and actually help use my platform as well as you know my resources to expand the database of what we have going on.
Speaker 3:Looking back at the history of Cowboys, and specifically Black Cowboys, what is one thing that you think the world should know about cowboy culture, for instance? What is the one thing that nobody knows about? And you feel like if this little nugget of sunshine broke through, there would be so many more eyes on this sport.
Speaker 6:I would say, the ability to invent. You know a lot of these four sports that are professional sports now within rodeo. Most of them were invented by, you know, black Calamans and at the time you know, I guess, the term form workout boys. But a lot of what you see on the national circuits in rodeo were invented by, you know, blacks and it's somewhat took a turn, you know, whenever it became something you know cool to do. I guess it took a turn.
Speaker 6:But you know, what I would like for people to know is we still have that same effect on the Western culture. You know like now you know our rodeos are somewhere turning into not only rodeos but you can have a live band, a live concert. You know it's becoming play days. We also have rodeos that involve parades and bringing, you know, awareness to 13 of the longest standing remaining standing Black towns here in Oklahoma. It's things like that that, you know, I want people to know. You know like there's somewhat a goldmine here for the history of rodeo. We're talking about the Western lifestyle or just the rodeo aspect of it.
Speaker 6:Because I mean not only did, Blacks invent a lot of these sports or disciplines within rodeo, but I mean, in Native Americans were somewhat some of the first people who, you know, we have documented on horseback. So it's just, it's things like that on the historic part that you know, I guess the educator in me feels more so compelled to dive into and express to the world, because I mean now, I mean with social media and all this new stuff going on, like I mean, we've gotten even better with some of our approach and you know some of the things that we do, and it's just, you know, I don't want, I don't want to, I guess, to traditional cowboy, you know, to continue to be, you know, glorified without knowing you know exactly where it came from, yes, the history, absolutely.
Speaker 5:I have to ask okay, so from a costume design lens, do you watch any of the I wouldn't say rodeo, but more so, the Western culture shows out there this today. Out there today, like the Yellowstone and the Killers of the Flower Moon.
Speaker 6:So I haven't seen Killers of the Flower Moon yet, but I do watch Yellowstone. You watch?
Speaker 5:Yellowstone. Okay, so I have to ask how accurate do you think these shows are, and are we talking about those being the glorified shows? And if they were glorified or if they're not, what is the one thing that you would want people to take away when we do see those?
Speaker 1:pieces.
Speaker 6:I would say it's you know. I would say maybe about 65 to 70 percent of it is fairly accurate. Now, sometimes they're impersonators and their impersonations may not be as accurate but, a lot of it.
Speaker 6:You know, they're kind of telling history through a lens and I kind of admire that part of it because I mean, since like and I'll just tell you me, just speaking, like, with being in the Western culture since Yellowstone and shows like that have, you know, been able to be seen on a national circuit, you have more people that are interested in quote unquote, starting their own Yellowstone or want to dive deeper and to just getting back to, like, you know, living on a land or traditional, I guess, western and country aspect of life. You know, like, agriculture's becoming popular again. You know, ffa things that were kind of become to be, I guess, kind of pushed aside with all of the new technology. You know, I guess history pieces up because now it's like it's got people that actually want to become farmers again.
Speaker 6:You have kids that are motivated to have a branch and be involved with cattle and livestock, and I think that's important whenever we talk about our ecosystem as well as you know, organic foods, that we you know. The good part about those I guess glorified Western shows like that is they kind of they kind of flirt with, kind of taking us back in history and kind of showing us a little bit but also showing us a more modern way of kind of doing it. Or kind of tying the two together and modernizing some of the historical ways.
Speaker 3:So just to piggyback off of Mia's question, because now I'm curious, what is your favorite depiction of this? Like new Western film and cinema? So we've seen our the Heart of a Fall Concrete Cowboys like stuff in that world is a little bit more, you know, culturally speaking, on our side of the tracks. But what's your favorite?
Speaker 6:I would say I watched the Hateful Eight. Have you heard of that I?
Speaker 2:love the Hateful Eight. Those costumes were amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6:So I kind of liked how. I like that style, I like that wardrobe, shall I say. It was about $2,000 or $3,000. I feel, like they had some pretty cool outfits. I feel like they did pretty good with kind of showing us kind of the old school way, but also kind of matching it with kind of the transcending culture or cultureizing way that is changing now. It was a little more kind of swaggy in there.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 6:And just super, super traditional, even down to kind of like their mannerisms and kind of the slang. You know, a lot of terms and words that you use are somewhere like 19th century. I feel like they didn't try to go like super old, even with the wardrobe. So I like there, I would have to say maybe the Hateful Eight, Hateful Eight.
Speaker 1:With the conversation about TV and film and putting more of a spotlight on the black community in, or the black cowboy. First of all, I think it will be really great to have those stories being told, just like we're getting killers of the flower, moon and the others. But are you wanting to be able to be a person that can be able to touch these films and these sets, to be able to help tell that story and, if so, what way?
Speaker 6:I guess, acting out or portraying some of the things that they need to be told. Because now we're kind of right. We're kind of right in that gray area of like okay, we know kind of how the guys did things up until now, like what's going on now we don't really have any modern westerns or and I guess that's the only term I can kind of classify them under as far as something like a rural country lifestyle movie. We don't have anything that's kind of like modern, like people that like look like me, like how I look right now, you know, or people that kind of look like, you know, I Don't know, jared, the average white guy, like how he looks right now, you know, and some of the things that we have right now, like we don't really have that just yet and I think, um, the sooner we get that out there, the more I guess a custom to actually believe in and being feeling like that that our audience is a part of our world, that the better off will be.
Speaker 6:You know, it's like we can't continue to want people to to be a part of this life and Only expose certain things or, you know, or let the traditional aspects continue to shine like because the things are a lot different now. You know People, people are different. People look different. Yeah, people, you know people have different occupations. Now, you know it's a lot of things that are different. Yeah, you know, like the the six-year-old or seven-year-old kid growing up right now they may have interest in this, in this lifestyle. They don't really have.
Speaker 6:You know, that updated visual kind of like okay, like it don't matter if you grew up in inner city. Like you can literally find a way you can bust to the country. You know 15 minutes out, you know it's it's more ways to figure out how to do it, opposed to waiting to man. You know, I was a kid always wanted to do that. I just never knew how to get started. I never knew what to do I want to like, show more people like like hey man, you can, you can. You know, it doesn't matter where you at like, if this is a lifestyle you want to live or be a part of, like this way, yeah, yeah, it's ways to be a part of it. That's kind of what I would I like to see.
Speaker 3:So we're talking about the modern Western right and the Louis Vuitton show by Pharrell. Yeah, how did that fit into your definition of the modern Western? So, from the outside, looking in, this looks like the hot new thing to do. This is swaggy. You could wear it out. It's casual, like for the fashion folks. You know we love it. However, you physically had to wear these clothes as almost a costume, but this is pulling reference from what you wear in your real life. Do you feel like this show contributed to, like elevating which you think Western wear can be?
Speaker 6:I feel like it contributed in a couple ways, and I'll tell you what one is you know, I, I could see myself in something like that, because it forces us to mentally kind of incline ourselves. I'm like, okay, what about if you need to get, you know, business casual? What if you need to put some casual on? Like there's actually, you know, a brand that presents casual cowboy clothes now. Or you know, our luxury, luxury cowboy clothes. You know, because a lot of us know whenever we, even if you going out to a gala, or you know, for instance, like I love it because now I'll be wearing Louis Vuitton to this rodeo ceremony and gala that's here in. You see, like Before it never registered to me for even wear something like that I would have wore show, I'll just shown up in jeans, maybe a nice button up in a nice overcoat, you know because, traditionally, that's what cowboys do you know, or that's how traditionally, that's some way how cowboy is dressed.
Speaker 6:We were in nice overcoat, you know, like a suit coat but his jeans and a button up under, where now it's like now I can literally come there with with slacks, a button up under my slacks, with a cowboy tie and you know, and be fashionable, you know. So, yeah, it's a lot of the older, older guys. It's kind of like how they kind of turned a nose up to it when a lot of the people that's kind of Become.
Speaker 6:You know, I guess a lot of my generation and maybe generation before and definitely generations after our more so trendy and kind of was flowing or was popular as a town. So they're more susceptible to kind of growing into this fashionable cowboy culture. You know, opposed to you know the older people like I would never wear something like that or something like that. It's like okay bro that's fine. But now you know we actually have the option.
Speaker 6:We're not so much as frowned upon or judged off of Our parents. You know, some fashion is is. Is is popular now, shall I say. So I guess I like that part of it and then Well, were you comfortable?
Speaker 6:I was so. So they actually they did a very great like they a tailored everything to me. So when I got there you know maybe the pants were too loose Because of my first day there I had to go for fitting. Like I thought, you know, I had traveled for 14 hours, I was gonna get the gutter, my hotel room and like chill, no, I got there, it was 10 in the morning. I had to be at a place for fitting at 10 30. So I said I had to say is they tailored it like? They did measurements from from basically like my wrist to my shoulders, from Shoulder blade to shoulder blade. They measured everything I basically put on the costume and, like I say, the pants were kind of loose, kind of long. The jacket may have been, I think, too tight or something across the shoulder, but they did all my measurements and then the day of.
Speaker 6:I had the same uniform but it was fit to the tee like I didn't. I didn't need a belt. I'm like my shirt. Everything was loose. I feel like it was. It was amazing how they did it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:I never really. I've never really known the process of something like that, but I Mean it was so professional it was. They moved diligently, like it was never like a stumble. It was never everything flowed smooth and For me to be out the country first time ever out the country, never, ever doing a gig or anything like this. They like they made it to where I didn't have to worry about anything.
Speaker 1:I mean all the way down to.
Speaker 6:I had to stay an extra day Because they had a snowstorm, and before I was off of my plane that was sitting on the runway I already had a room and a driver waiting on, like they, they, literally they took good care of me, they made the experience kind of worthwhile. But it was you. It was, it was a require more from me than what I thought it would. You know, I thought that I would just go over there, walk or something like. No, they actually taught. Taught me the fundamentals of walking, you know they didn't like break the way I walk.
Speaker 6:They just say, hey, man, okay, that's the way you walk and let's do this to add to it, to give it more of a model presence. Yeah, they fixed my posture. I I didn't even know kind of like where to look with my eyes. I didn't know, patrics, I didn't know anything like. And they never judge, they never told me like I had to do one way. They said find the camera and you know, they said watch the other guys in front of you. Now was the best advice they gave me, because you know everybody, you look different.
Speaker 4:So it showed me.
Speaker 6:I don't have to try to look like one person, I'm they. They just want me here because of the way I look, and all I have to do is present myself. So that part of it was.
Speaker 3:There you go, that's amazing Kudos to you and the others from the Oklahoma Cowboys, because I know you weren't the only one from the team on the main stage. We, as viewers and lovers of fashion and of black men, we are the girls who watch fashion shows all day and we just want to say you guys did a fantastic job of maintaining your integrity and Groundedness in your presentation, on how you held yourself. It was a very authentic Feeling and you know, shout out to Pharrell for even creating a Atmosphere that was all encompassing of like an emotion. But you guys in particular Held it down and you know, we know what it looks like. We watch these fashion shows quite often. We know what it looks like when people are walking. They feel uncomfortable. They've been told to portray a character or a character chair of a thing, because, at the end of the day, a lot of times the fashion shows are theater. But you all brought an authenticity and Value to this stage that was beautiful.
Speaker 3:It was often it feels like what we know of not only just black cowboys but the history of the Buffalo soldiers and the pictures that we've seen, or I've seen at least, growing up.
Speaker 3:Were these very like, buttoned up, proud, beautiful black people and even sitting side by side with these beautiful brown people who Are natives of the land. You know it is a, it's a, it was a magnificent show and I think you all did a fantastic job, thank you. And these are images that you are showing out to the world on a larger scale, without even using your voice. And now, having had this conversation and hearing your position and the work that you're doing and the work that the Oklahoma Cowboys organization has been doing to move this Sector of what is to be American and what it is to be a black American cowboy forward, is a beautiful thing, and I don't want to hold you too long, but I do have one last question, and I'm gonna start it with you, chloe, girl, because you have been Silently here paying attention, and I do want to hear your thoughts in the larger context. What would you like the world to remember or to know specifically about you?
Speaker 4:It's two things. Number one all of the change that we would like to see culturally as Black people. I think something that people need to keep in mind is that really like we may not see the change that we want to see, but we are Placing opportunities there for the next generation. So maybe, like my son, or my son son or daughter, they're gonna be the ones who benefit from the fruit, and so that's one thing, and then the other thing is working together. You know, I feel like that's a big blockage for our people. We let too many things get in the middle. You know, we let small conflicts you get in the way of the work, and so I think we just need to create more focus and more community and we're getting there.
Speaker 4:We're getting there, but we're moving turtle slow, and so what I would like to see from us is to couple our hard work and our determination with connectivity and In community. Yeah, I say to that, there's so much to do, there's so much to get done. Everybody's busy. I'm a mom. You know we have there's a lot to do, but it's just coming together. You know, leaving all the stuff that doesn't need to be there on the outside and sticking to the plan for the, for the betterment of really the youth Like we're very big on youth, the children, yeah, and I just want to tell y'all, thank y'all for for actually kind of wanting to, to reach out Because I can say whether y'all know or not y'all actually kind of helping us, y'all part of the change and for me personally, I'm glad that it's all women, because women Like it's black women are women.
Speaker 6:I've assembled my team with nothing basically but women because it's like like I don't like you know nothing against man or nothing like that, but I deal with a lot of business and I like things to be done, you know. So. You know, just having like women in my life and on my team, like I Amired, the camaraderie, especially in the willingness to get something done that you all had, and you know I feel like that's been Shelter for so long. You know about a domesticated lifestyle that you know women were expected to live, but no, it's like women have the power to move mountains.
Speaker 6:No, and no some men may have a muscle, for women actually have the power. So I just want to tell y'all, you know I appreciate what y'all doing. No, whether you're involved on the Calvaries or not, like I just feel like I have a powerful unit, you know, and another unit needs one thing y'all. That kind of whatever y'all put your hands on is no prospect.
Speaker 4:So keep up the good work, thank you, thank you, we received it, thank you. Thank you, rodeo. What is the?
Speaker 5:next one? When can we stop by so we can bring our? You know, son.
Speaker 6:If y'all, if y'all want to like make a family trip out of it, y'all can fly into Dallas, texas. Right March 16th will be the hip-hop cowboy rodeo. It's basically the first rodeo that like I mean, I noticed it in Mesquite Texas but we will like I say, our culture, our whole, our circuit will start there. Last year like like blue webbing, this year I think it's like rich on me, quon or somebody like that, but it's the indoor rodeo. So you, you know, your your deathly kind of in a temperature controlled environment, but you still get the feel of like a, actually like like black rodeo, like we endorse. But they let they, let us be who we are, you know.
Speaker 4:You said March 16th through the what.
Speaker 6:So that is just March 16. Okay, that's March 16, and then from there and Will, we'll email you. We have like a printout of like a rodeo's no, don't follow me because I got so many dates in my head right now but March 16th and be the first one which will be in Mesquite, and then we'll come back to Oklahoma that following weekend, I want to say 22nd, and we'll be here in Oklahoma, oklahoma, which is a black town. This and the rodeo is on Native land, so they're tied into, like the Native Americans also. That'll be the second rodeo that we have here in Oklahoma, in our home state, but that'll basically the second rodeo of the season. And then all we love for you out of, come out. You know, I can only tell you all so much it's something that you like, you have to.
Speaker 3:Experience the atmosphere, yeah.
Speaker 2:So my question do you ever do anything with the bill picket rodeo show.
Speaker 6:This year I'll ride on the bill picket circuit. I'll our calf rope on the work on the bill picket circuit. They they somewhat have Point spreads, but it's not the traditional point spreads. So maybe I'll kind of try to work my way in them, featuring the actual traditional pointing spreads that we do here in Oklahoma.
Speaker 6:But, to answer your question, I will be participating in a few bill picket rodeos, but a lot of those dates, some of them we have rodeos here and it just kind of depends on, kind of if it's close or if it's worth going for me.
Speaker 2:But yeah, yeah, let us know if you end up coming to the Atlanta show. I think it's August 34, yeah, you come down here. We'll definitely show you a good time in Atlanta, so let us know, okay.
Speaker 6:Yeah, let us know what we need to do to get y'all there and we're gonna get you down. Yeah, just just put a bug out there with this. Hey, man, we need to make sure we got a plane ticket, universe, and let's see what we can help you know, you ought to be there. I say, if y'all can make it a point where we're definitely up the best you know, you know we love a trip.
Speaker 3:Okay, so when we show up and we show up deep because we so, we're so excited, it's gonna be a good time, okay, so I just do not want to leave this interview without getting you to answer the question, ronnie what do you want the world to remember about Ronnie Davis?
Speaker 6:I mean, I laid it all on the line, you know. Never never have had did anything. No, if I put my mind to it, I put my all into it, everything I'm, every mission, everything that I'm after I'm I'm head first into it, okay.
Speaker 3:Keep it short and sweet. Drop the mic. There we have it. Yeah, I just want to say thank you all so much for spending this time with us, for Taking this interview. It has been better than we could ever expected. So much history, so much inside scoop and just getting to know you all at a deeper level and and and give space. Give space and give a platform for you all to share your message, to share your mission. If you want to learn more, go check out Oklahoma Cowboys at the Oklahoma Cowboys on instagram Ronnie Davis at rd2 I and Chloe. You can find her at disco clo on instagram Also. Don't forget, there's a new episode out every week. You can find us wherever you get your podcast. You can like and subscribe. Also, follow us on instagram at we, a podcast, as well as tick tock at we, a podcast. See you guys next week. Bye, bye, y'all.