this episode we talk about the tightrope walk of balancing demanding careers and personal lives, which seems to be a universal circus act we're all performing. We shared the collective nod towards the necessity of streamlining life, even if it means splurging a bit to reclaim some precious 'me time'. As the holidays wrap up, the conversation naturally swayed towards the warmth of family traditions, the joy of new memories and who we spend these precious moments with.
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Produced by: Aziza Duniani @woman_Business
Music supervisor: Chic loren @chicloren_
Music by: Gavin Williams @thegavin1
this episode we talk about the tightrope walk of balancing demanding careers and personal lives, which seems to be a universal circus act we're all performing. We shared the collective nod towards the necessity of streamlining life, even if it means splurging a bit to reclaim some precious 'me time'. As the holidays wrap up, the conversation naturally swayed towards the warmth of family traditions, the joy of new memories and who we spend these precious moments with.
Like, subscribe and be on the look out for a new episode every week!
Credit and special thanks goes to:
Produced by: Aziza Duniani @woman_Business
Music supervisor: Chic loren @chicloren_
Music by: Gavin Williams @thegavin1
What's up y'all? This is Shee Gloren, and welcome to We8. We're spilling the tea on all things fashion, film and television, giving you an exclusive peek into our perspective on style and design.
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, hey y'all. Welcome to another episode of We8 Podcast. We are two weeks to the end of the year and the girls are excited. We're drinking champagne, we're in a new location. Shout out to Noi Studios. It's cute, it's cozy in here, even though we cold. How y'all ladies doing hey, Sit down. Shee Gloren Sit down, it's Saturday.
Speaker 3:This is new for us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we had to reschedule our little program in because folks is back at work. So we strike is over, we back in the business. But now we at this real incoming time of 1 PM in the afternoon, which means y'all will be getting your podcast now when you listen on Saturdays because your girl is working. So we got a lot going on. Everybody introduce yourself. Go ahead. Shee Gloren.
Speaker 1:What's up y'all? This is Shee Gloren, your style and music creative.
Speaker 4:What up you guys? Winter Alex of the Manor Co. All Things Design I love.
Speaker 5:Hi, I'm Aisy Chevelle, costume designer, event producer and all around professional dot connector.
Speaker 3:I'm Mia Nunnally, costume designer and creative director.
Speaker 2:Hey y'all. This is girls. This is Duyani. I am assistant costume designer, ceo of Women Building Muff Collective producer and one of the hosts of this year podcast. And we back for another week I already said that but we dragging a little bit and we drinking. So we dragging, we dragging, but we drinking. It's Saturday and I feel like we should start what y'all doing after this.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, I don't know, maybe I'll go for a brisk walk on the belt line.
Speaker 1:Maybe get some hot cocoa, maybe find just accidentally fall into a Christmas moment we did. We went to Lowe's today to get something for the crib and ran right into a little toy workshop. So we put a little truck together.
Speaker 3:Random how deep does it do? Yeah, wait, it was real cute.
Speaker 2:How early was you up to go to Lowe's and do these things? I was dressed like.
Speaker 1:my plan was to be here on time, OK Early, so I was like I'm going to get there at 1230. I was already at fully dress out the house by like 1030, 1045. So I was out trying to handle business.
Speaker 2:OK, what you doing with her after this Going to sleep.
Speaker 4:I'm probably going to see my man. That's cute Ow.
Speaker 2:We like that. That's cute, that's a little bit. It's a good day for that Sex. What you doing, I see you've been working all week.
Speaker 5:I'm recovering.
Speaker 2:And not from a hangover. Let's be clear she ain't recovered. I can't work.
Speaker 5:It's just stressful.
Speaker 1:And I.
Speaker 5:Gucci main mean they say stressful work, like that's how my day is felt, but I have to just have a hair appointment and then hopefully nothing for the rest of the day, because, yeah, it feels like going nonstop.
Speaker 1:Not nonstop what you getting done to your hair.
Speaker 5:Soap press probably.
Speaker 1:OK.
Speaker 2:Where you go, they do good natural hair or they do regular. Mia's been.
Speaker 1:Just the blow dry, yeah, but also the dry bar right.
Speaker 5:Well, we ain't saying her name, unless they give her some Money.
Speaker 2:You're right, However, but you know what I mean, though you know I got my hair is real from the motherland.
Speaker 3:Did you buy a black todge? I have thick hair, yeah, or a shanning Go to my hair, or a black girl, holly, I mean the technique is the same.
Speaker 2:It's just sending new black hair, so I feel like my hair rush so the issue I found is, whenever I get my hair straightened, they hit it so many times, like so many times.
Speaker 5:See it's not going to do a more. The pass through with the flatter you have to have you not with the right person? And I'm like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:is you doing? That's not the right person. You burning it out. If you don't want to do that, just leave it alone.
Speaker 1:Go see her girl OK.
Speaker 4:Shannon Either Shannon or Todge.
Speaker 5:I'm going to let you know now any of their referrals. They ain't going to call you back if you ain't on the VIP list.
Speaker 3:You know, Shannon.
Speaker 5:I was on the waiting list for two years.
Speaker 2:You're getting in, I'm not going to call you back. Well, I ain't on that list, so let me just go to the wriggle and dig where my book is. Go to Shannon, I'm going to go to Shannon. I'm going to see the girl.
Speaker 1:Because I would definitely recommend my girl. But she moved far out. And not only that, like she's kind of hard to get on the books from time to time.
Speaker 2:I don't need no hard to get. She's great.
Speaker 1:She's been doing my hair for a long time.
Speaker 3:Look, can we 2024, can we normalize? Make an appointment please? I'm making an appointment.
Speaker 1:What does that mean it?
Speaker 3:just means that this is my hair to my left.
Speaker 1:I make my appointments. This is my to my left.
Speaker 3:I text Karen, are you available? She takes the day off.
Speaker 4:Oh no, they don't be.
Speaker 2:The day off it's the week of it is the week of hey, do you have any availability on Thursday?
Speaker 4:And if they, and that's all, it's it they do.
Speaker 3:See, but no, no, they don't. So Winter has like a hair, a very smaller head.
Speaker 1:Her Head is smaller and not as fine.
Speaker 3:Her hair is fine, so they could take her. They can have her done in 30 minutes. I can't do that.
Speaker 2:I've never been out to cheer in less than four hours. It's always four hours.
Speaker 3:Are you going?
Speaker 2:to talk about people.
Speaker 3:You don't but.
Speaker 1:I'm saying like no matter what I get, Get you done.
Speaker 2:Nothing less than four hours Because they always look at my hair and they're like, oh OK, it's manageable.
Speaker 1:And once they get in it, they're like, oh, this is a lot more hair. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I was supposed to be doing it. Yeah, because I know the difference as soon as they start acting like that, as soon as they start talking about it too many times they talk about how thick my hair is. One time I get it, yeah, but it's too enthralling. She can't do my hair, let me get somebody else, and I don't care.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just give it a don't touch. Don't touch it. You know I'm going to go home just like this.
Speaker 1:Because I've allowed other people to do my hair and it did not. No, we're not doing it, girl, I can tell.
Speaker 2:Damn.
Speaker 1:OK, I can tell.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I'm going to hit up the girl, I'm going to go with Mia's references Shannon's great, shannon's great, ok, which I'm watching. It ain't a, you know we always say it's not a lot on TV, but it's a couple good moments.
Speaker 4:Murder at the end of the world. So y'all saw it the book of Mears is Good, which I just found out. That's a redo from a BBC show in Europe.
Speaker 2:OK, I feel like I want to see the BBC version Because I saw it. Yeah, it's probably better. This is a very modern and old world.
Speaker 4:It's too modern for me.
Speaker 2:Mia referred it. I watched it and I was like something's happening here, yeah, specifically with the costumes and the language, the dialogue.
Speaker 3:The dialogue.
Speaker 4:It's a dialogue.
Speaker 1:Throwing me off. That's what made me turn Mia off.
Speaker 3:Are inaccurate and the hair. That's what turned me off.
Speaker 2:They like it's like a subtlety, that's just like I want it.
Speaker 1:All the way, you know the one that hits it all the way on the nose, the other one.
Speaker 2:In your age, the guilty age hits 100% all the way across the board.
Speaker 3:I hate all the men that to anyone who's interested in costumes, be interested in acting.
Speaker 4:And a great story line, the.
Speaker 3:Spians mother, those Spians they are so the story, the writing is just so fucking, and it's so. What's the art name?
Speaker 4:What's the art name? The real rigid one, agnes, I act, I act, no joke.
Speaker 1:And Mrs.
Speaker 4:Russell, she cold and a mother.
Speaker 2:And her husband and the, but just I don't know. That's a great film.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a great show. They're doing a great job. Them costumes are. I would wear that shit today and it's slightly inaccurate.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but what she's trying to do. She's trying to. She is in. I think her name is Casia, something, something.
Speaker 2:We'll go back to that, Casia Walika, my money. Yes, she's conveying a feeling.
Speaker 3:And that feeling is, these bitches had money and I want to tell, I want to convey that it is great.
Speaker 2:And it's innovative for that period, right? So like you're innovating to elevate, like somebody could have thought of like OK, I want to add this texture or this fabrication, I want to put silk here where it wouldn't naturally be, because they just have the. You know, like you could see maybe one off person doing this thing to these turn of the century, like period pieces or moments or whatever back in the, so it doesn't like take away from the total authenticity of the time. You know what I'm saying. Like just changing the fabrication on something or a button or like something. Those subtleties are like Castles, yeah.
Speaker 4:It's something that who has enough?
Speaker 2:money would do it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the dynamics of the show is is old money versus new money? Yeah, so you're going to see that. A lot of that within Ms Russell. Yes, russell, like she plays a lot more with her than she does like Agnes, and her sister, because they're very much so old world money yeah. Yeah, I think they just do an affabulous job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2:And like you said that acting is what? Hey, With Ms Russell's husband name we got it. I don't know, but he look other, he look, he do look other.
Speaker 3:He look, I feel like there is a story behind they both kind of do. The he's black.
Speaker 2:They both kind of look other. He's mulatto. You don't think she? Maybe her swag is making it confusing me, but yeah.
Speaker 3:But when you see the like, you know the behind the scenes when they talk about the show after the show she look white, oh OK, but he looks like His beard is the Carrie.
Speaker 2:Coon. Yeah, she a oh Coon. That's her name. It's Carrie Coon, carrie Coon. And then Morgan Spector is George Russell, yeah. Yeah, he's quite handsome In his costume. I'm looking, I see my like it when you at. Oh, OK.
Speaker 1:No, he's attractive, but he's definitely other.
Speaker 2:He looks like Armenian or something Middle Eastern. Maybe he's.
Speaker 3:Speaking of black Yassin, black cake. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I finished it.
Speaker 1:I finished it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, did you like it, or it was still too slow?
Speaker 1:I'm not mad at it. I mean, it's obvious that we're definitely going to get a second season and it's going to be interesting to direct the dynamic that it goes in.
Speaker 5:I don't know.
Speaker 1:We are not talking about that OK, so we're not going to talk about it.
Speaker 2:The way they led to. Whatever's going to happen next is, we don't know who the killer of the His you, as in the second or third episode, black cake, black cake, just as long as they don't spoil the ending. No, no, they're leading on to like we'll figure out who killed her husband, her ex-husband.
Speaker 4:What are you?
Speaker 5:on the last episode. I haven't seen the ending. I don't know how many episodes. But you saw the third part.
Speaker 3:I saw yeah.
Speaker 5:I saw who Dordar get introduced. I also don't want to. You know there might be people listening who. We don't want to give it away. I don't want to.
Speaker 1:I was still watching Spoil alert.
Speaker 3:Spoil alert.
Speaker 1:We spoil alert.
Speaker 5:This is a really good show with you know really good tackling tough issues, family issues.
Speaker 4:You think her secrets is?
Speaker 5:what killed her?
Speaker 2:Yes, it was cancer, it was amputated.
Speaker 1:She had cancer.
Speaker 2:That's like a, you know that gets ample. I'm not saying that's why she had cancer, because for those people who have it but like but the stress is you can make it safe it, just it's the ample flies, yeah it can eat away at you. So if you're trying to heal yourself, that is not a good way to heal yourself. But all them secrets held down. There's another show.
Speaker 4:I was watching, called the Lost Flowers of Alice.
Speaker 1:That's really good.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's really good with Sigourney Weaver. So within that she develops cancer as well, and they played it back to her holding all these secrets.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's a great, and it's all, it's a book as well, it's a lot of books, oh.
Speaker 4:And they turn into episodics. Ooh, shout out to the book. What's our book that we was reading?
Speaker 2:We had a slick two second book club, that only me and Mia partook in. She could tap out halfway. I think she could tap it a little bit. She tapped it and tapped out.
Speaker 1:We was reading the first few pages I'm all like chapter nine.
Speaker 3:Made a full of depth with her back up. That's on Brand Mark podcast what Me, you and then she. Oh, read it to me.
Speaker 5:That's not true. I read it to you. It was so good, great value Terry Morrison book. What it's of my day.
Speaker 2:I didn't think you even got to come up with it. You didn't even read it.
Speaker 5:I thought you read it. I read the back of it and I could tell no, ma'am, oh.
Speaker 1:I see, I thought you read it because you was like I read a couple of pages, maybe two chapters.
Speaker 5:I got to the first two chapters.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying Terry McMillan and Tony Morrison. Oh, that's what I said. Totally, I could style.
Speaker 5:Terry McMillan is my time out. This is definitely not a Tory it was not a. Passella got her group at.
Speaker 2:First of all, which is hard to read. So the book was written by let me tell you who. It was written by a Quakey Amessie and the writing was really. I liked the book. Of course it had its scandal and its sex, but it was a really good book. I could picture it in my head. I got enthralled. I read it, like the last six chapters I read over and I just stayed up all night and finished it.
Speaker 4:It's a chick lit.
Speaker 2:It's a chick lit Black chick so apparently it's getting picked up though.
Speaker 3:My Michael Jordan, michael Jordan, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You might like it now. You should read it In my chair Sooner than before A costume designer.
Speaker 5:Yeah, Everybody doesn't make good decisions.
Speaker 2:You gotta read more. Read the book before you say that you have to read more.
Speaker 5:Well, I'll find some downtime where I feel like I'm in a movie. For that, you know what's going to happen. She's going to see the movie. It's a good escape.
Speaker 2:Y'all read kids' books. And then we're going to be like, yes, motherfucker, we read it.
Speaker 5:Probably let's circle back around in about three, four years on that one.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, oh right, let's wait how long it's going to take for them to see Y'all, not them texting me about work, oh my god.
Speaker 3:Last week I said this industry is top.
Speaker 2:Literally it starts off. Sorry to text you about work on your off day, not on my off day, it's everybody's off day. Leave me alone.
Speaker 3:Aggravating thing.
Speaker 2:And they asking about knee pads. I think that's why I'm in a mood today.
Speaker 5:I'm like tired. It was a long week. Then this morning is like the dog needs to be groomed, the baby has gymnastics, I have a hair appointment, there's some like two sporting events I don't even do sports happening downtown, which made me hella late and then had to fight through traffic to leave to get to this hair appointment. Then there's events all weekend and then there's like a 5 AM call time on Monday morning and I'm just like that's how we're doing. It, isn't it your last day? It's our last day, but it's still like a 5 AM call time For one episode. Mm.
Speaker 5:Only must be first, but either way it's just like I feel like I don't have a weekend right, and I think it goes back to what Mia was saying last week about work-life balance. Like I'm super happy to be, you know, to have gotten some little Christmas money and to be back to work and to kind of knock the dust off, but it's like I didn't have enough time to prepare for going back to work and what that means in terms of like my house look crazy, girl the baby look crazy, the dog look crazy, my husband got five events going on at once. My cleaning lady ain't hit me back yet, so my house gonna be looking crazy for Christmas. It's just like it doesn't feel like there's enough time and I'm gonna have to like just start figuring out once we're really back to work, because you know 2024, like figuring out, putting systems in place and you know having to pay for the convenience of it's not enough time for me to do all the things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, we gotta pay for the convenience of someone else offloading some of this Cause it's interesting because we've been sitting down for so long we were able to, like you said, do all of these things make sure the laundry is taken care of, the man, the kids, the house, ourselves because we have some, we have all the time in the day and then even prioritize, like our business needs. And then now it's like a mad dash because we spend literally barely even look at our phone. I don't know about you, but I'm barely even looking at my phone while I'm working and all I had a meeting, the work related chats yeah, Not even the work.
Speaker 2:I barely even I missed them. Call me on my phone, Otherwise I'm not even looking at it because it's so much going on and then turn around Saturdays, before I even come here, I have a meeting for women building wealth in opulent society. So then I'd be like, oh. My brother was like oh, this look, this, would it look like when you tap in? I was like I'm not even tapped in, I just worked for the man all week and I got three hours to myself to pour into the stuff I need to do Like it's not a workout.
Speaker 1:Shout out to you for doing it. This is life is life and she's gonna make me appointment, get it done, get it done.
Speaker 5:Korean lady to scrub me down real good, because I don't feel settled.
Speaker 2:Well, the good thing is you'll be done on Monday and you ain't got no rap days, so you're going to be right there.
Speaker 5:Well, there you know, I'm a business. I ain't got no rap days. I got the same job you got me. I thought I had one or two. No, I love this red leather. That's beautiful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's yeah. I thought that when I walked out the house. So I was a drawbar before I went here to take my meeting. And I walked in and it was Santa's everywhere.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's it, I was looking at it, she definitely.
Speaker 2:It's a great great we could get to the bit on this couch yeah it's a great great.
Speaker 1:Because she's definitely grinch, so that shiny.
Speaker 4:I feel like we really really shiny yeah.
Speaker 2:The black girls from Russia. They got the. They got the fur.
Speaker 1:Somebody get this picture Please?
Speaker 2:Yeah, she do, but she look, she look like I got a day to have. We look like we commit into a costume.
Speaker 1:Like commit into a costume For real. Well, they're great takes on committing to a costume. Okay, so I got a question for y'all who do you holiday well with Like who you travel well with? Who do you holiday well with your man?
Speaker 2:That one, my man. The job, you travel, my man, that's it. I love my family. We do a great job together, but like who would I prefer to just like?
Speaker 5:I prefer.
Speaker 2:And do it best with not even travel. She just asked who do you holiday?
Speaker 1:holiday with.
Speaker 2:It's my man.
Speaker 1:Like if you, when you have your best holiday time, or it's just like in your grown self how you envision it to be, how you want to celebrate it. Who can you do that with?
Speaker 5:For me, my biggest thing is wanting to have my daughter, now that I have a kid, and get as much exposure with, like her grandparents as possible. So, even if I don't be feeling like we ain't got to really do all this, I just want her to have those memories especially. You know, I got older parents well, at least my dad. So I kind of feel obligated to do the whole big family thing which is still just me, my brother, his wife, his kids, my mom, my dad and Chris and a baby, but it'll probably be all of us. I mean, last year we did do something so cute because we're not that family at all, but in the spirit of like I'm, like yo, I want some happy memories because we'd be dysfunctional as hell.
Speaker 1:So I brought over family feud.
Speaker 5:I brought over family feud and it was so fun to play that as a family we are not bored game playing families Like we're whiskey drinking, talking trash Like you remember, back in 1980, whatever my parents scrapping with each other Like we're that family. So when we play, like the board games and stuff, it was like we're so not in this family, but it was so fun.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you need some good, wholesome things, yeah, but the thing about it is you can still incorporate that with your family, but make it y'all. Yeah, I go with your way, but that's not to me.
Speaker 2:What you're saying sounds like you should just back off and just do the things Based on what you just said. Y'all can do board game, you can have a little drink, and that is like the memory that creates yourself Make your own game.
Speaker 1:Make your own game. Y'all you will be good at that. Make your own game. I'm worried about the food. I ain't worried about games. Okay, we'll give it to somebody to do we know big hungry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we like the food.
Speaker 5:Gotta be right, and I don't feel like nobody else is thinking about the food.
Speaker 1:Well, make sure the food's good. Okay, I am, I am, so that's why I was asking like I was thinking um you, better start now no Icy Copeland not Copeland's.
Speaker 5:Oh um this Icy's getting me Papados. Or or I like Papad.
Speaker 3:I catered them one here. I'll cater rights and shit. By the time you get it from your house, jimmy Carter, from Jimmy Carter, it's gonna be cold. I guess you could put it in the oven.
Speaker 1:Either way, but closer in the Marietta, because it really doesn't matter. They're both far, oh far.
Speaker 5:She got it, but just somewhere that has like, because I even looked at whole foods catering in here and I felt like that's gonna be bland. I looked at it I was like I'm gonna have to stop her, ma'am that's lazy.
Speaker 2:If you ordering, just order from somewhere that cooked the food. Now I just sit it out all day.
Speaker 5:There's not a lot of places open on Christmas.
Speaker 4:Eats, but you didn't get it Prior to you.
Speaker 5:Yeah, because remember Busy Bees during the pandemic.
Speaker 4:They had the whole women's kitchen all day.
Speaker 1:And it was a riot outside. That's terrible. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5:We'll figure it out. I'm gonna eat regardless.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Mia who holiday will? We?
Speaker 3:My, thing. I mean I, I ain't got no problems. I had a little perfect little family, my immediate and my extended family. That's great. They're very. I mean, we do the thing where we just go. My mother does, my mother's household does a fire like a bonfire. Oh, that's great, and we sit around the fire and we sing Christmas Not sing, we listen to Christmas carols.
Speaker 2:I can not answer that. Y'all sing in Christmas carols by the fire. I'm like listen to the show.
Speaker 3:Sing Christmas love love, love, the whispers, the OJs, the TNT, you know all the Black G's. Oh, we do all this stuff we get high.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You did that? Say Rudolph, what's it called Karaoke? You know we do karaoke together. Yeah, I could use some of that in my life, same day as you, and also my aunt does this tradition where we all separate and we all get in groups and we send the 12 days of Christmas. It's super fucking cool. That sounds so cute though.
Speaker 2:No, but me did say that I love Christmas.
Speaker 3:She said this is I love Christmas. I love Christmas, that's my favorite time. Who's that? I love Christmas. We don't always do traditional food. You know, last year I did a seafood Christmas.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's what I like about your family they're open to like various food options Because Mia be bringing Kenwa with raisins.
Speaker 1:I do. That is what I love Kenwa and raisins. I know about you.
Speaker 2:That's dope. I love that. I feel well when did you start doing that? No, I don't think so. He tapped out Thanksgiving. He was over us.
Speaker 1:He said y'all didn't help me clean. How much did daddy? Y'all didn't help that man clean, y'all didn't ask.
Speaker 2:You didn't ask, ain't nobody offered why y'all are so cute? Because I'm at my house doing what I gotta do in my day.
Speaker 5:I just do it. Y'all ain't saying alright, dad, let's help you with the dishes. First of all, I came an hour and a half late.
Speaker 2:We helped clean up, of course.
Speaker 1:He's like I gotta clean my house, I gotta cook for two days, he's complaining that the fact that he has to do it in advance, In advance stuff.
Speaker 2:how am I supposed to help you with that? I thought you were saying you didn't clean up? Oh no, I cleaned up, I got home training. I did that, I got home training.
Speaker 1:We definitely helped with that. I brought a bottle.
Speaker 2:He was definitely complaining with the cooking.
Speaker 1:He tried to do it he ain't doing it just for Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2:It's like our first family Christmas together, so we're gonna do that Little potluck moment. I don't know if my family's really doing anything, but we'll just go with the flow. Everybody's grown in my house, so it's kind of like you don't press it. Like I said before, Christmas is not our holiday.
Speaker 5:No pressure, but I was proposed to on Christmas Eve you making mac and cheese. I'm coming to y'all house. I know the whole family.
Speaker 3:now I'm coming over. I said no pressure, but I was proposed to on Christmas Eve, really.
Speaker 2:You're a pro at having a birthday, not by chance.
Speaker 1:Who else?
Speaker 3:I don't know if somebody's in for it. I was at my sister's house on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1:I wasn't sure if somebody was from Proposal.
Speaker 2:Anybody got proposed to one on one.
Speaker 1:No, I just want, I have serious love and proposal.
Speaker 3:But it was my college sweet, he didn't count.
Speaker 2:What did he not count?
Speaker 3:It was like a, like I'm a, you know? Oh, I thought that so.
Speaker 1:That was kind of. I get what you're saying I had a similar proposal.
Speaker 2:We're not even together, but you're just gonna pop up and propose I have you, I want all of you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it still counts, I count mine.
Speaker 2:You should count it If they said baby please. He gave me a whole ring. Oh, you should count it. Yeah, you would propose to Wow.
Speaker 5:They brought me a ring in the cafeteria in high school.
Speaker 2:Girl. What'd he say? What'd he say it was my proposal.
Speaker 5:He was trying to get married.
Speaker 1:His mama's ring was on the floor.
Speaker 2:He put nothing on him back in that day. His mama was probably tight If Lord went over and proposed to some girl in the cafeteria which would be like no, he didn't.
Speaker 3:Anybody would take that seriously. That was very accurate, Aziza.
Speaker 2:No, he didn't my best friend in high school, got proposed to and got married, and she's still with her husband. They got two kids.
Speaker 3:They had her, it sounds like crazy.
Speaker 1:It's foolish. I shouldn't say foolish, but it's a big.
Speaker 4:to me it's also, the post was the best. It has no other way.
Speaker 5:You haven't experienced enough of your life yet to make that definitive of a decision you don't know who you are. I remember when me and Chris because you know the Lord had to work with him for about seven years before it was put on his spirit.
Speaker 1:It was been put on his spirit before. He was obedient in what God was telling him for the past seven years, but before he was obedient, he told me very much.
Speaker 5:He told me year one I said look, I'm not going to be your girlfriend for years, Plural and jokes on me that it took seven years.
Speaker 1:If you had told me year one that I would have said seven years without a ring.
Speaker 5:I'd say you, you a lot, you a mother, but I did.
Speaker 2:But he also told me, with us being 10 years apart.
Speaker 5:And they she said you at 24 or whatever I was. He was like you know, I'm going to be the same person at 30 or, you know, at 26, two years from now. Whatever I was, I know why. And it was so much like professional development, not professional, personal, professional.
Speaker 1:Well, that too, because not a?
Speaker 5:professional development too, because that is around the time I left corporate and got into the film industry. But there was so much personal growth and development that happened during that time of me growing into myself as a woman and really like realizing like, oh shoot, like I wanted a baby at like 26. I don't even like kids, Like I just felt, like all of this stuff that you feel like is the pattern or the pace that you're supposed to be on, like, okay, I'm 25.
Speaker 5:I'm supposed to have this by now and then two years I'm supposed to have that, and then this and that and whatever. And yeah, I had a baby at, you know, mid 30s, yeah, mid 30s and got married mid 30s. Well, everything happened. So you know it's all on God's timing.
Speaker 2:I feel that I feel like I was the same way with thinking when I was in college. I had a high school sweetheart, so I thought I was like okay, we live together, all the things. I feel like we should be getting married soon, like it was a whole thing. And now I'm like who? The Lord saved me, not from the man, like I don't want to put it on him like he was a bad person, but just save me for myself. Okay, yeah. So from the decisions I thought I needed, that I needed to sit down and wait for my man right here and, on a Saturday, for me in college my college boyfriend.
Speaker 5:I just knew that it was I mean I did him wrong the first couple of years but then, when I realized what I had, and I tried to spend the block. Oh, that Negro would not give me the time of day.
Speaker 1:And I was like I can just get one day with him one day.
Speaker 5:He would not give me that one day, but I just thought it was like you know, meant to be. We had the same last name. His last name was white. I wouldn't have to change my name if I got married. I know, I know, I know, but no, but he was a good dude who loved my dirty draw and I did him wrong and once I realized then it's a real good dude.
Speaker 5:Like it was too late. But now I look at like where I am in life and the life where life led me and I'm just like I'm with who I'm supposed to be with. So like sometimes just gotta let that that time pass. So just have life experiences to make sure that you're making the right decision of something so permanent as marriage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's for sure, definitely need growth. So what this is telling me is what you say about Chris finding the Lord.
Speaker 5:He wasn't obedient. The Lord was talking to him for seven years.
Speaker 2:You might have not have been obedient. I was obedient.
Speaker 5:God told me, god told me, actually, god told my brother. Two weeks after Chris and I met, we were, we were at a. My brother was doing this back to school jam. I know Chris was doing his back to school thing with the cap County, you know thousand book bags, all this stuff or whatever, and my brother anyway. Long story short, my brother was there and as soon as he met Chris and Chris walked away, he said you know, that's your husband, right? Yeah, and it was. It was just out the blue. And he, my brother, ain't even that type of dude. So I'm like what? I felt that too, like man, this felt a little different I'm supposed to really be able to do but it was hard.
Speaker 5:It was hard Seven years of slave, or whatever the movie was called. No, I mean it was hard because, like internally, I just felt like why isn't this happening now? And one of my biggest things that I always would tell him is like I got an old daddy, my daddy. Oh, my daddy was almost 50 when I was born. I have an old daddy. If you play around with me and rob me of the opportunity of my dad being here to see me get married, I will not forgive that you know it will be very hard for me to forgive knowing that you already know you're just not acting and you know God sustained my dad and you know seven years married and my dad still here.
Speaker 5:So excuse me, oh, I got a little choked up, but yeah, so I mean sometimes you just got to, you just got to let life like, take you where it's supposed to take you on a timeline that you're supposed to be. I ain't got married yet. So here we are we happen when it's supposed to happen. Sometimes life revealed like why, like it took a while, you know saying like there's ain't no home.
Speaker 1:It ain't no home. You know, you really need to go on a petition on a t-shirt. Let's just make, let's put on a t-shirt, come on. Mary.
Speaker 2:Jane, no hoes, you ain't no hoes, that's a good one.
Speaker 1:You ain't even gotta put your face out there as the designer cause. I know you don't want to be associated with something like that, but let's do it, let's build it you designed it on the side You're talking about some things Charo. I need that deal. That guy did appear a mouse.
Speaker 2:I think it's interesting his cum. It's so cute.
Speaker 3:I don't like it either, really Like. Who appeared? A mouse, no.
Speaker 4:I don't like his campaign.
Speaker 2:Just because kids are?
Speaker 4:actually doing it right now.
Speaker 5:So why are?
Speaker 4:we playing to the habit, that's already upon our community.
Speaker 1:It's pushing it forward and he already got like an ICIC reputation within the community.
Speaker 4:It's like doing his due diligence towards us. So why are you gonna go and promote something negative when we already got enough negativity going on? There's another way to get a shock value ad campaign out, besides saying let's go loot the stores or looting the sale. Why don't?
Speaker 3:you try making some good shit, yeah First.
Speaker 4:Versus like going to this gimmicky bullshit, making it available.
Speaker 2:Let's make it available for purchase first, before we make it available to steal. However, I do feel like I'm taking a Mia stance on this one. I feel like, because he was so MIA for so long, we had a whole conversation about Kirby when that cut article came out and we was like where are you? We're trying to purchase your items. We can't. All we can get is a turtleneck that says pier moss on it, like the couture show was like eh, you know what I'm saying. We've had all of these moments. If you're you left out with chaos, I feel like it is in due time that you come in with chaos, like it's on brand.
Speaker 2:I think, and I think also, again talking about Kanye and the Balenciaga and the bags, I mean the bags that tar the gap and all the things I feel like there's. No, he couldn't have come in soft. You know what I'm saying. You can't be gone for three years and then come in with like a gentle show and we know we can't purchase anything.
Speaker 3:She's not a gentle show. No, I'm saying Because he does a show.
Speaker 2:We like the things and then we can't buy them. That's a gentle like entry. You have to come in with chaos for a see fit. It feels like Kanye and I don't wanna give him the reputation of that, cause. I don't think he's a genius. You know what I'm saying? Oh, kirby, yeah, I don't think he's a genius by any means, but I think if you're gonna do it, go in our into the bag of the off whites and the Kanye's. When it comes to the marketing ploy of it all, you know what I'm saying To throw yourself back into the conversation, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about him. We'd be like, here he go doing that same little simple shit. You know, yeah, the only perspective of it, but I do understand it being in bad taste, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I do see exactly what you're saying. You're right on a marketing and branding point. It's great, it makes all the sense in the world. But I read the article and you know I was trying to find where, like, other brands have done something similar. They call it something different, obviously, but we're like they're pushing to get their stuff out and so he took that looting, take on it. To add the spin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in LA, let's be clear, it's not just us, it's all the people of all the shades In LA. I'm specifically speaking to LA because they going in them stores and snatching anything, because what's the limit is like what? $800? You could take up to $800 worth of stuff and it not be a criminal offense.
Speaker 3:But that's wild. But, for those of us that don't know the article what happened? What happened with Kirby?
Speaker 1:So I guess well, from what I understand, he is doing like a shopping sale right when you can purchase items, but you are doing it like whatever you can run in and put in a bag, Like that's what you get.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a grab and go. That's exactly what they were talking about, and are they weighing the bag?
Speaker 1:Or you just got on and grab and go that I didn't get that far.
Speaker 3:But you're not even purchasing it.
Speaker 1:No, you're paying for it.
Speaker 3:So you didn't pay for it, but it's paid for it, but as much as you can grab.
Speaker 2:but he's calling it that. He's calling it that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's just using it. He's using it for marketing purpose, so it's not like what he's doing has been done before in terms of the grab and go, but it's the way in which he's doing it.
Speaker 3:Is this new shade or old?
Speaker 1:So that's my question. I didn't. That's where I didn't get to Like, is it old or new? Because my thing was old, okay. So I thought it was old and I'm like, okay, you just trying to get rid of shit, so we never going to get nothing from you.
Speaker 2:So he's giving unreleased apparel, unreleased footwear, archival collections Well, I guess this is old Archival collaborations, runway samples, prototype accessories and the way it works is you purchase a time block of one minute or five minutes, you show up to the designated time, you lock up your phone and any items that you wore in with a attendant, you grab and get dressed in whatever items you like until your time is up and then you get your photo taken upon exit. So the marketing part in the looks that you created with the photographer, which is optional and you can buy a one minute is $100. And then a five minute is $300.
Speaker 4:One minute is $100.
Speaker 1:Yep Wow so.
Speaker 4:Great marketing scheme.
Speaker 1:Great marketing scheme. I how you know it's crazy that you say that they take pictures at the end and you know that's all that they're doing. That's why they letting them do this shit. We don't get your picture, like when these people actually loot and rob these stores. They are getting their pictures, so like when they start trying to trickle down effect, the oh, let me rate you based on who you are your face, I recognize your face, so they're going to have you in the system.
Speaker 2:So that's why I always look. But the thing is, you're paying for it, though it's not like what do you?
Speaker 1:no, I'm saying I'm talking about the real white shit, so I'm saying there's the irony there of them taking that picture at the end. And then actually when you are looting and doing that shit in real life, they get your picture.
Speaker 2:You definitely have this. She can't come back in because she's a shoplifter?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's. I think that's interesting. Yeah, it is. I mean, he's brilliant in that marketing way. Whoever came up with that idea, for sure.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, because it's very now what's happening like socially on the West Coast you know what I'm saying? Because it's a lot of that happening Like they're shutting down full stores because they're like we don't have anything to sell.
Speaker 1:And he said you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:They shut down real department stores because they're like we're losing more than we're keeping, because people can still up to $800 and not be like there's no criminal charge, so people just going in there busting glass. I'm taking a little of this and taking a little of that. It's the thing.
Speaker 1:So being able to come in with this kind of like like I said, organized chaos.
Speaker 2:I think that's the only way we would be able to look at. We would even look, be looking in his direction. You know cause? I was done with Kirby Everyone is trying to stay relevant. Always.
Speaker 3:And it's very difficult to go away for three years and no one knows the way the cycle of fashion has been going. It used to be like a year, two years and then the trend resets itself. Now it's like every three months, every six months. And like you said, so it's very difficult to keep up. And like you said last time, people are bored.
Speaker 3:And people are so bored because there's so many. I mean we're constantly I mean I'm not about to call you out Winter, but like Winter's on Instagram right now and there's all these images that we've seen, and then we're not seeing every single day and we're starting to become very like, desensitized to things, absolutely. You know, we don't know what's, you know people are trending. I used to love that red tight trend. If I see it again, I'm a scream.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know, and that just happened, what two months ago?
Speaker 2:Yeah we over dilute, this Over diluting things, and so Kirby is really.
Speaker 3:Jenna Lyon said it. She was like I'm really. I went on the Housewives of New York just to try to become relevant again, because I had something to sell.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And that's beneath her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no shade. No, that's I mean, but it's a fact. Everybody is trying to keep up with the curve and the curve turns over real quickly. It's like a circle, not a curve.
Speaker 3:It's like you say you at that one point, yep, someone like yeah, we know Some people don't even know who he is yeah. Who is Paramahas? Yeah, it just happened, but it didn't just happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like it's the strangest thing.
Speaker 2:And it's almost. That's also a testament to thinking about the Diatemus, the Ophelios we had this conversation before and their stuff being so fly, like. You know what I'm saying. But like, what are they going to have to do to maintain that relevancy and still maintain the authenticity of their brand and their product? Because we don't want to see in two. We want to see the natural progression of the thing, like we see natural progression of characters on screen. We don't want to see that she turned over to something totally new, because then we're going to turn off. We're going to be like I don't like it. The people who are really new about it, the people who was really invested, they're going to be like I don't like it. Yes, it looks fake, it looks forced, and then we're going to get back to it. But what? In another two years, you're going to go back to what is authentically. You Not saying that that's what they've done, but, based off of the cycle of how things are moving, designers have almost no choice. They have no choice.
Speaker 2:They have no choice.
Speaker 4:Until they do maybe I mean unless it's the designers that are of a classic standpoint, who don't give a fuck about the trends.
Speaker 3:Well, the houses are already established, Like the Dior and the Raffleran.
Speaker 4:These are all staples that are not bludgeoned just because it's a fad. But, these like quick, these Balenciagas. I think Asap said someone asked him who's doing her thing in high fashion and I know he spoke to Lele and I think Bottega, bottega you just did that campaign. Bottega's doing sweatsuits now. Yeah, that's so far from yeah, but their sweatsuits are made out of like-. Leather All been leather Out of suede and woven leather. No, but I saw him running around in the streets. In it it looked like some Russell sweatpants.
Speaker 2:No, I think it is leather, though the girls were leather, the ones that used to look like sweats. Where?
Speaker 4:the paparazzi was following.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and they're gray Like a really like gray.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's leather, yep, it's like a very subtle woven leather. But that's a testament to also the marketing of it all, like, I think, with the off-white and the Virgil's, the importance of like the marketing of it. Especially when you're doing something so polarizing to the industry, you have to kind of like, have a parallel campaign that is going to polarize the industry as well, in order to like push the needle forward and then people fall short, cause that's how Balenciaga fell short you thought polarizing was vulgar and like evil and crass and dark. You know what I'm saying? And it's like no, you don't have to do that. But also, a lot of these people are having to figure out the marketing mechanics in order to brand these, like these stay relevant you know, at the end of the day, I have to understand.
Speaker 3:Balenciaga has been Demna has been the designer for Balenciaga since something like 2011.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's a long time. So now we're just now seeing, over the last two years, balenciaga pop. Well, not pop, but like do the polarizing.
Speaker 2:But he stayed true to Cristobal's brand and whatnot, but no wasn't Demna, oh no, maybe it was the guy before that Balenciaga who was the one who changed just into the street wear, because the original Balenciaga was for like anti post war, like high class post post war European aesthetic, you know, like satchel bags and all those things. So I don't, it's interesting, I don't know.
Speaker 2:But, it's sad, it is because it makes it harder to. I think it's only sad because it takes away from just. I'm a creative and I love clothing and I want to tell a story through clothing. To now I also have to figure out how to market myself. Just as like you have to have a partner now. You know what I'm saying, because now I have to be able to sell this thing in a different creative space.
Speaker 3:Sometimes selling it means putting your selling you who else to those who don't have to do that. But it's very hard.
Speaker 2:I think there's across the board, though. Even with create, you know your costume designers, your stylist. Having to be like the extra edge is selling your brand, your personal self, Even though you're creative and you want to stay back behind the screen and you want to do the things and see it come to life.
Speaker 4:It's a fucking nightmare.
Speaker 3:It's so exciting for me.
Speaker 4:Especially for people who don't like to do it. I know, personally I hate posting. I don't mind taking a picture, but that's because I, you know, I like to put shit on and I like like that's for me. But to have to like physically put it up so the world can see and like tie it back into what we got going on, when there's so much of the work that's already been done, it's like we pay so much attention to these girls and what they got on, but they have no fucking work ethic.
Speaker 3:So why are they getting hired you?
Speaker 4:understand.
Speaker 1:Or spotlight it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like what? Where is the talent? You know? But you went to go look at somebody, you imitated it and you have a following. So, oh my God, she's a fashion girl Not for real.
Speaker 3:Nope, not for real. You know what it is. It feels really inauthentic. Yeah, it feels inauthentic to like go to work every day and literally do it for real, in real life, and then have to turn around and put your stuff on Instagram or Facebook whatever it is or not Facebook, Instagram and TikTok and then try to have everyone else prove like have everyone else validate something that you actually get paid for every single fucking day, from 5 AM to 2 AM, every fucking day of the week.
Speaker 3:Of the week. The world has to validate you in order for you to be successful.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and that gives you the feeling of like you're not doing enough?
Speaker 5:But we do it a lot.
Speaker 4:You've done so fucking much You're done so and you still do it Like now I'm talking about, you actually have real lives. Most of us on this podcast are fucking moms. I think, someone wrote in about how do you balance work and being a mom.
Speaker 1:It's hard as a how do you, both of them?
Speaker 4:You understand, you gotta look great. You gotta make sure your kid okay. You gotta make sure your business intact. You gotta make sure your home okay. You understand, man or no man, you still gotta take care of yourself. You understand, it's only so much a man can do for you. Thanks, you're still a person as a whole, so it just becomes so.
Speaker 1:I don't even know Taxing.
Speaker 4:I don't even know what a great word to describe, maybe overwhelming. You know, you find yourself just sitting sometimes just to collect thoughts, so you can move in the right direction.
Speaker 3:And you don't even know where to move. Like this morning I was like what do I do, mm-hmm, like, oh my God, do I feed the kid? Do I get myself dressed? Do I journal? But I really wanna work out. I really need to take care of myself. Oh, I haven't eaten in two days. Like it's just like there's. It's just too much.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's a thing, and then you don't wanna sit at home. We're not telling y'all to sit at home either and like not do like Bitch. I like you do you do for your kids.
Speaker 3:But I think that's the You're creative. Mm-hmm, that is the worst. Yeah, you're not creative. You're not creative.
Speaker 4:Because you're like I'm not serving my purpose in life. Yeah, you understand. At the end of the day I say this all the time we literally wake up and get paid to do what we love to do, which is a blessing within itself, but to manage it and turn it into a business.
Speaker 4:I know for me like I don't just work, I create and build and I have this thing, but it becomes so much Because it's like I still gotta work, but then I still gotta take care of manner, and then I still gotta eat it, and then it's like, well, if I don't do this, then this is gonna lack, or if I step away from that, then that's gonna, and then it just becomes this ongoing cycle. But you still get up every day, you pull your shit together and you serve as if there's nothing going on.
Speaker 4:Yeah, with a straight face, with a straight face and you posted on fucking Instagram shit that you like, just so that people know like I'm still here.
Speaker 2:I'm still here checking. I'm still here.
Speaker 3:Because, they told you that if you don't post, then all of a sudden that work that you do nobody's declined, it means nothing.
Speaker 4:And then?
Speaker 3:you can't afford to pay the people. You can't afford to pay your house no, and you get mortgaged and whatever Cause everything is so relied on Again, the validation of others.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a real. I feel that, oh, I feel that so shout out to Pyrrha Maas.
Speaker 3:He's trying. It can go wrong, but Jesus Christ, I get it.
Speaker 2:Also, I guess it's shout out to you for taking your time, you know, because, granted, don't be pushing it out that we can't buy, but shout out to you for taking your time to sit down and not be pushed out, I guess, by the system, but allowing yourself the time to figure out what you need to do creatively. You know what I'm saying, cause I think maybe you posted something that was like take a break, creatives, take a break. Don't stop, but take. It's okay to take a second. It's okay to take a second breathe, think about what you really need to create, or if creating needs you, and then do that. But it's okay, just breathe, cause boy, boy boy, this is crazy.
Speaker 3:But then you suffer for it, though, and that's the catch.
Speaker 2:you need to In the back end.
Speaker 3:I don't know if y'all noticed that if we're not posting on Instagram, then I follow it. We're trying to build this Instagram, right. When a follower starts to dwindle yeah. And then you want to get in this algorithm. You want to do the oh my gosh, yeah, and also that's another thing, cause creatives.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day, you build something, you manifest something because you want the world to. You don't want it to be diluted by the world, but you want the world to have it. You create something, you put it out and you want the world to have it, but you don't want to be overcome like encompassed, all encompassed by this, like social aspect of it. You want them people to be able to enjoy it, receive whatever therapy you receive from putting it out in the world. But it's like I don't want to fight so hard for people to be able to see it.
Speaker 4:To appreciate the world, to appreciate the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the that is. You want it to be authentic. You want it to be authentic, you want it to be flow.
Speaker 4:You want it to experience it for themselves, versus like, oh, I'm just gonna go because she got a cute outfit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I want us to be able to be in sweat pants at this podcast, talk about the things we want to talk about and y'all understand the authenticity that the who we are and what we do in our daily life is a genuine, real thing about who we are, without having to put on this. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Without having to put on the jewelry, the leather.
Speaker 2:We could just come out and be in. You understand that. We know what we're talking about and we feel what we're saying because it's the life we live and not because this is how you perceive it, right, you know?
Speaker 4:like Well, perception is what's key. That's what every major company is buying the perception of you, yeah, or your brand or what you're putting in there and at the end of the day. You know we do do this work in the hopes of larger collaborations that will bring more value to the work that we've already created. I know, for me that's, that's gold.
Speaker 4:You know collaborations with some of these larger firms. You know that that is something that we will acquire. But you got to get outside your head, you got to move yourself out the way and say this is what it has to be done in order to do so.
Speaker 4:Am I going to do that shit every day? No, no, no, I'm fine, I don't. I'm just going to do it right now. And then you know, even to go back to hiring someone to do it that shit. Tough People don't find your voice, yeah. Get on your nerves, yeah. Or they might have certain qualities that you do love and then other shit they don't love, and then it's like you know what Never mind, never mind, never mind.
Speaker 3:I do it, yeah, Damn for me, lockout for me, babe, I do it. All these relationships, we build in, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:And how valid are they? Because, for real, for real, I don't fuck with a lot of people- what I love them. You know what I'm saying. You know, if I fuck with you, I fuck with you. But all that, that unnecessary cheater chatter, y'all know damn well. I would be like this yeah. Can we go yeah?
Speaker 1:Stupid. That shit should pull you into conversation and slide, slide, slide, slide. I don't know, you're fucking tired. How are?
Speaker 2:you what you mean? Okay, bye. I never shit with her, you know 180 and be like silently yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm a mess, yo and I love y'all.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:That's real. What is it?
Speaker 2:Sheesh. Okay, well, I feel like that's a good closer. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. At the end of the day, the creatives that you take the time that you need to take to pour into yourself and put that artwork out there. You know what I'm saying Don't let nobody shame you for taking your time, but also don't stop creating. You know, always be in the process, Always know that this is a therapeutic act. Whatever your creative outlet is, whether it's to sing, whether it's acting, dancing, putting together these looks, creating characters, whatever it is never stop creating. And when you feel the need to put it out there, put it out there and do what you do, but never short change yourself. All right, Well, let's talk to y'all next week. Happy New Year. Happy New Year y'all.
Speaker 3:Maya 2024, yeah, come on in this week. Thank you so much.