Ever wondered if the male beauty aesthetic has changed since the black classic films of the 90s? Join us as we explore the evolution of fashion in black films, comparing comparing our favorite leading men Eddie Murphy and Wesley Snipes. We'll also revisit memorable moments from classic TV shows like 'Martin' and 'Living Single' while discussing the defining fashion moments in films such as Boomerang and Love Jones that continue to influence modern style.
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Music by: Gavin Williams @thegavin1
Ever wondered if the male beauty aesthetic has changed since the black classic films of the 90s? Join us as we explore the evolution of fashion in black films, comparing comparing our favorite leading men Eddie Murphy and Wesley Snipes. We'll also revisit memorable moments from classic TV shows like 'Martin' and 'Living Single' while discussing the defining fashion moments in films such as Boomerang and Love Jones that continue to influence modern style.
Like, subscribe and be on the look out for a new episode every week!
Credit and special thanks goes to:
Produced by: Aziza Duniani @woman_Business
Music supervisor: Chic loren @chicloren_
Music by: Gavin Williams @thegavin1
What's up y'all. This is Sheik Loren, and welcome to week eight. We're spilling a tea on all things fashion, film and television, giving you an exclusive peak into our perspective on style and design. What's up y'all? I'm Sheik Loren. Style and music, creative and self-care advocate.
Speaker 3:Alright, I'm Winter Alex, owner of the Manor Co, a two designer, costume designer and personal stylist, and I love all things design.
Speaker 4:Hi, I'm Aisy Chevelle, costume designer, event producer and all-around professional dot-connector.
Speaker 5:I'm Mia Nunnally, costume designer and creative director.
Speaker 6:Hey y'all. This is Sheik Loren and I'm an assistant costume designer. I am the CEO of Wernond and I'm the most collective host of this here podcast, as well as producer, and we are here for another episode of we Ape Podcast. Today, we will be talking about black films, halloween, costume design, what Saak said about the parameters for its actors for Halloween because, as you're hearing this, it should be Halloween day or the day after or the day before. We'll just see how it plays out. I'm here with my girls getting poppin.
Speaker 3:We just want y'all to know that we had a dinner last night where we celebrated our 10th episode. Shout out to we Ape.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:I think we just had just a tidbit too much red wine and we're a little, you know, slow in the pickup, but we're coming, bear with us. We are human, we're getting through it. There we go, there we go.
Speaker 6:So by minute 10 we'll be in it, we'll be having no, stopping, okay, we did get some coffee and this was really helping we put it in as we speak, the caffeine's on here. We gonna be there, but in the meantime, while we sipping Winter, had an interesting experience with someone who was not of today on all of his black films. I don't know about y'all. Do you think it's necessary to have watched all of the black films like is that a real black card for both moment, or is?
Speaker 3:it just me? Okay, I don't think it's necessary, but I think the classics you know we should all be kind of privy to. So you can speak reference like a boomerang moment. Okay, boomerang is a beautiful. Actually it's a creative and executive positions of blacks in what? The early, the late 80s, early 90s. So you have all these beautiful black folks there are, well-dressed, articulate, managing huge firms. That that is. That wasn't always on display for us, quote unquote. So I think it's a great reference and the costume design was great.
Speaker 3:I mean Eddie Murphy and his Shout out to miss Francine the bimono moment when he's at the house chilling and then highly lays her head on his shoulder or chest because it's open. It's just good references. Yeah, I mean coordinate. Come on guys shout out to the leather. You know, remember, coordinate with the mushroom. Coordinate, you got the coordinate. These are like great black bang, bang.
Speaker 6:You know what was a beautiful moment in that. I'm just thinking about the costumes, that white suit that old girl had on. When Eddie comes out the building and he sees the girl like no, she looked like Robin Givens with it.
Speaker 1:it was Layla Richon and it was like a lookie.
Speaker 3:She looked great, I'm telling you the level, miss Francine, you did a great job. She spoke very well to what was going on right there and then it said the tree, like stirrups start hitting, like it was just a great. The oversized lapel coats was like a thing. I remember my mother dressing like the women in it and then they spoke about Robin Givens wearing a whole bunch of weave and that that was another okay, she was in there later.
Speaker 5:Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Layla was.
Speaker 6:That's why they didn't see that kind of traumatized me for red toes.
Speaker 3:What did Martin say? You didn't get the twizzle. These are all great. That was a good moment, david Allen Greer. How Martin spoke about the pool table being reminiscence to us as black, y'all understand.
Speaker 6:Oh yeah, white cube balls in the hole. Yeah, that's, that's, that's number one, I think. Loki my favorite, not, I think I know, my favorite black film to this day, love Jones.
Speaker 2:It is a beautiful film.
Speaker 6:Really.
Speaker 3:All that love who we don't like, about love Jones, did you see it?
Speaker 4:That was a mad corny. It was at some girls.
Speaker 3:My mouth.
Speaker 6:Just hit the floor, guys, just so you know the mouth just hit the floor.
Speaker 3:What's corny about what's corny?
Speaker 4:about it. I mean I enjoyed Bill Bellamann it because he was fine. That's who you enjoyed. The cornyest thing in the movie boom, boom, boom.
Speaker 1:Laurence, take that.
Speaker 4:Like a unibrow. Yeah, some weird. No way, even Calfa Louie is fine ass. No, he's fine as hell. Now, no, no, no, no, no, he was fine then.
Speaker 6:When he was in that kitchen cooking that omelet. Okay with the magnia With them.
Speaker 3:Levi Long sexy tail and he was a poet yeah he was a writer Say baby.
Speaker 4:So you married him and I think the movie that's probably his, his form of foreplay, is to put that movie on and to no.
Speaker 6:I see I don't understand how do you how you enjoy Bill Bellamy? He's my least favorite character. Bill Bellamy was fine as hell in the 90's.
Speaker 4:He drove the hearse. That was the corny, you should know I didn't pay attention to the story.
Speaker 2:He was a hater. He was a hater, so that was the movie I watched later on in life.
Speaker 4:So most of the 90's movies I watched inappropriately what my mom's left over blockbuster tapes while she was at work. But love Jones I didn't see until until adulthood and I was just like the way people hype it up like the soundtrack alone.
Speaker 6:It's so sensual I'm not a sensual person so.
Speaker 1:I don't need.
Speaker 4:There's been better.
Speaker 6:And I loved all the leather. And when they was on that motorcycle, the rain scene, the rain scene, black folks in the rain.
Speaker 3:Oh, my girl's getting her hair wet in the rain. Come on now.
Speaker 6:And it stayed down.
Speaker 5:It stayed down I just had good chemistry too. That was a very good cast.
Speaker 1:And I think it also was a good one that showed black people in another light, like artistic people. Jazz lovers, you know, vintage lovers. You know it was just very sexy movie. It was poetic. I don't always love. Well, they made no I love, I like a good romance. But you know they made the poetic scene sensual. Yeah, it was something sexy. But not to say that you know that that's doggy, I'm just saying like it was cool how they brought it into the forefront. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Well, let's shout out Shawn Martin who designed that? Project, who also designed the very first Friday.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, and that is my all-time favorite. I speak Friday, friday, so my sister and I speak Friday very fluently and it comes very natural. And it's a love language with, like whoever you date If you don't understand. Friday, if I can't say certain things and you don't catch it, I don't know what we're going to why every time I'm in the kitchen you in the kitchen, you in the kitchen, yeah, yeah, every fridge, you know what was interesting?
Speaker 6:So Friday. My dad worked on Friday back in the day that was like one of his in the beginning films. So he got into the industry because he had a baby Me I'm the baby, but that's the first set I was on. Oh wow, it was Friday.
Speaker 2:And a little stroller.
Speaker 6:My dad got pictures of all the hood niggas smoking weed. I love it.
Speaker 5:Me and the stroller yeah.
Speaker 1:I love it. We need to see this photo.
Speaker 6:I gotta pull them out of the storage yeah.
Speaker 1:Cause you know they physical photos. No, no, no, no, no. You have to take a picture of the picture.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, so I see what's your favorite one, since you don't like those last three.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I have to say you ain't even like Friday.
Speaker 1:No, I love.
Speaker 4:Friday. I don't have favorites, I mean coming to. America. I'm not coming to America. The first one, yeah.
Speaker 5:First one. So my favorites, that is my favorite.
Speaker 4:Yeah, y'all going to have to come back to me. I don't have a favorite. Your royal highness is clean.
Speaker 5:Yeah, my favorites, eddie Eddie.
Speaker 2:Murphy, eddie Swag, eddie like a dog Yo.
Speaker 5:Life.
Speaker 6:Life. I see she's like at her monthly. Yeah, life is fantastic.
Speaker 5:I love life, life is fantastic.
Speaker 1:You can't But戴obs stop, you don't have any film to off it.
Speaker 5:What about the one? So we're talking about the nineties, but there are so many who came before Slap link, so we do have those classic black movies that we grew up with. But then there's the ones that came way before that. Carmen Joanラーメン Out of, is that blood Kinda sorta. Yeah, you know Sydney Poitier. Yeah, I mean it's big.
Speaker 6:I mean, I think anything. Harry Belafonte, sydney Poitier back in the day you're gonna have to call it just this claim that as a loan. It would just not call it that.
Speaker 5:You know, it's just what's the one that you told me about, that you introduced me to and you was like you ain't seen that from the 70s about the girls.
Speaker 6:Yeah, Claudine which I need to put on my list. Is that the one where she she had all the kids?
Speaker 5:A little crooklynish, anything from spitefully.
Speaker 6:Oh, absolutely, oh, absolutely Would it be a crooklyn.
Speaker 5:That soundtrack was great too. Yeah, right.
Speaker 6:She's gotta have it, yo, she's gotta have it. Even the remake was really good yeah.
Speaker 5:I was like and you know he shot that, that was his first film. He had no money. I gotta back check this. I want to say this was, spitefully, his first film Shot black and white. She's gotta have it. Yeah, that's my more house brother beautiful.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I shot to him and play his people and his sister in every film Yo.
Speaker 4:Oh, she's pretty. I'm going down the list. Oh, a low down dirty shame is hot for me. I love a low down dirty shame. I love that movie. Uh wait, I'm the only one who liked that movie.
Speaker 1:I liked it. Jada was great. I love that movie. Yeah, jada was cute in her red leather.
Speaker 4:Another movie strictly business yeah. Remember that guy. He's like great value Denzel like we ain't seen him since the 90s but he was like a leading man in a lot of the movie.
Speaker 1:Because he played Denise. It was Denise on the Cosby show. That was her husband.
Speaker 4:Oh I didn't watch the Cosby show. Oh was it.
Speaker 5:Denise, or was it Wade?
Speaker 4:Yeah, ray Vesemont's daddy. Yes, yeah, he was Ray Vesemont. Ain't, nobody heard it.
Speaker 6:We heard it I actually talked about, she didn't see the Cosby show. I didn't watch the Cosby show.
Speaker 4:It's right now it shows.
Speaker 5:I didn't watch a different world, no, I did not.
Speaker 4:I don't understand that.
Speaker 5:I used to say that Now that was when I first looked at costumes, because Jada Pinkett's character, specifically her Lena- yeah, all me, all day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she had the honeycombs on the end of her.
Speaker 6:Like that was who was my favorite there was a great, I mean.
Speaker 5:Whitley oh my god, she was born.
Speaker 6:She was born. This is an icon.
Speaker 5:She didn't miss it.
Speaker 1:It ever so.
Speaker 6:Wayne was fine. I loved it. Little goofy ass Yo.
Speaker 4:Who was he?
Speaker 1:He had the belly.
Speaker 6:He was fine, but Bill Bellamy ain't girl. Yes, it was, no, it was. He was into like, yes, could he could have get it when.
Speaker 5:I was a belly engineer. He was smart Bill Bellamy, dumbest fucking love John.
Speaker 4:I'm talking about how to be a player. I'm talking about MTV. I'm talking about Bill Bellamy in the 90s period. I didn't like him in the 90s period.
Speaker 6:Bill Bellamy in the 90s.
Speaker 4:He's always game goofy Dwayne um. Dwayne Martin was fine.
Speaker 5:I think Dixie or remember.
Speaker 1:She said it was like a little cut that out.
Speaker 4:I was about to be in C17. What's our rating? I can't say it.
Speaker 6:It's what we're doing Our shit is explicit. It's like Malik Yoba.
Speaker 4:You remember his uplifters? He was not.
Speaker 1:Oh, they look like from the same church. I used to think Malik Yoba was fine in 95.
Speaker 4:I remember that opening song, though for New York undercover. Can you hear the theme song?
Speaker 1:Was it like a jazz with the hip hop beat?
Speaker 4:Yeah, Okay, so what about class acts?
Speaker 5:Class act.
Speaker 4:I like those, I like the kid in playmoons here. Class act was funny.
Speaker 5:I'm not that great the way I determine is if I can put it on now and watch it over and over again that's why coming to America is important to me.
Speaker 6:But, some of these things I cannot watch over Nothing we can play. Can I rewatch?
Speaker 5:I can watch House.
Speaker 4:Party, yeah, house.
Speaker 5:Party, but House Party 1 specifically, that's it.
Speaker 4:I was going to say dead president, that's the movie I could rewatch. It was very very good, though I mean it's heavy, because it's like the Vietnam War, it's like drug usage is all those things, la Rancetay. But it was the first time we saw Chris Tucker do like a dramatic role. Yeah.
Speaker 6:He did so good Comedians tend to do very good in like a drama.
Speaker 4:I mean not set it off Dead president.
Speaker 3:Oh, that was good. Yeah, that was great.
Speaker 1:So one of the films that I can't really see. I'm learning with Benji. I can't say that I didn't see it, but I didn't see it, like I didn't watch it in its entirety. I don't know juice, I didn't see it.
Speaker 5:I feel like we're too young to be watching it. Well, no, but.
Speaker 1:I mean, a lot of this stuff was we were too young to be watching it. But I've gone back and watched it.
Speaker 6:Juice. I liked you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Juice is crazy.
Speaker 6:Juice is crazy.
Speaker 1:That's one on my list. I need to go back and watch the entire. He was a great actor.
Speaker 6:The entire, the entire, the entire was great. The entire was great. I would have loved to see how he developed as an actor, not a rapper.
Speaker 4:So what about another movie that has a leading man that a lot of people consider to be 90s set symbol New Jack City with West Police Night yes, West Police.
Speaker 6:Night was fine as shit. That's a good one. You thought he was fine.
Speaker 1:I think West Police Night was fine.
Speaker 6:I think West.
Speaker 1:Police.
Speaker 5:Night is beautiful.
Speaker 1:That male's fine and white man can't jump yeah he's a handsome man.
Speaker 6:He's just like Adonis, like the chopper.
Speaker 3:He has beautiful skin. The beautiful features, the features he has the perfect amount of lips and his perfect. It's not overbearing.
Speaker 4:We see where her head is Her lips is the thing.
Speaker 5:The lips and his cheekbones. He's like a guy. He has a great Neeno Brown.
Speaker 3:He had on that pull of hat and it was. He was riding in the gist and the rifle. I kind of felt like the gap a little bit too, he was cold.
Speaker 4:I was looking at Alan Payne in this movie when he was in the Alamos film.
Speaker 2:He was very.
Speaker 4:Jason's lyric when he had that Harry booty.
Speaker 1:In the aggressive valley.
Speaker 5:So now that would have been waxed yeah, in 2020.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Men are not waxing their ass. It would have been a body double. It would have been a body double.
Speaker 5:That's what they had a waxed ass With a waxed ass.
Speaker 4:Or just not a Harry booty. Men have Harry booties, okay.
Speaker 3:I just want to say I don't want no man of mine waxing his tail Okay.
Speaker 6:I don't want no wax going in between.
Speaker 3:No, man's cheeks, let's be a man.
Speaker 6:You got to get real compromised to get in that position. The clothes that ass.
Speaker 3:That's what we do, okay.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:On the device.
Speaker 5:I'm talking about for the camera. I'm not talking about Okay, what's?
Speaker 6:the point of camera. Even for the camera I can't hold you.
Speaker 1:What's the point of looking at him? He give BD. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, I like that, cause he was on. Maybe he didn't wait to exhale he was great.
Speaker 3:And wait, yeah, he became Angela Bass's love interest. Wait, what are we talking about?
Speaker 4:No, Where's my Not Wesley. No, I said I remember him, so that's it. Now, where was Well? Get some of my.
Speaker 5:OZ. What was her love interest? Angela, oh, at the end. Well, yes, you were just. You guys were sick.
Speaker 3:Wasn't that, wesley? I think so.
Speaker 5:I think it was. I just can't remember I see him.
Speaker 6:Okay, what about Seat Car?
Speaker 5:What about him Y'all?
Speaker 6:Y'all was a buck away A different world, not a different world, but um Living Single. That's the one I can.
Speaker 4:I was watching step by step and Jonathan Taylor Watches that.
Speaker 3:It's alright now, that's it. Living Single.
Speaker 5:That is your go to friend. That's her dog.
Speaker 1:Thanks, that is your go to friend. Living Single is a great show that you can watch. Martin is a great show you can watch.
Speaker 2:I don't like.
Speaker 1:Martin, I've been putting Christ Fritwood. How dare you say such a thing in my presence.
Speaker 6:Okay, so let me let me clarify. It's not that I didn't like it, though the like latitude and how high people put it on their list, it's not that high. I think that I like it.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, I will say for her because there's an age gap there. If you didn't catch it live, I think a lot of Martin's things are dated when you rewatch it now. So it feels like what? Like that? Even funny by our standards, yeah, you know, or edgy by our standards today.
Speaker 6:I just want to find slapstick very funny At the time, you know what.
Speaker 5:I'm saying yeah oh yeah, that is it is. Yeah, I thought it was we are sorry.
Speaker 4:That's not fine.
Speaker 5:I'm sorry this goes to show you that black people are not my fucking lint.
Speaker 4:I'll put Eddie Murphy over, or a Wesley's night.
Speaker 2:Eddie.
Speaker 4:Murphy got baby teeth, but I'll take the baby teeth over that, so you can say that Eddie.
Speaker 3:Murphy got baby teeth, but I can't say somebody don't have a baby. How is that fine?
Speaker 4:I'm not arguing with you. That is not fine. I'm keeping my mouth open. That is not fine. What is fine. Fine is relative, because that's not fine.
Speaker 6:First of all, your chest is relative Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, I have to come back to Martin. Okay, okay, sorry.
Speaker 5:She Okay, but real quick, can we do a poll? You know, you know, yes, let's do a poll, eddie.
Speaker 4:Murphy or. Wesley's night, which one? We'll definitely do that.
Speaker 5:I will. I will Wesley, I will Mary Eddie.
Speaker 4:You would not, you would.
Speaker 5:No.
Speaker 4:Look, eddie, but hold on, hold on, let me Look at y'all. Y'all must have Mr Clump's nutty professor. Eddie, I'm talking about Boomerang.
Speaker 3:Eddie Boomerang, eddie Boomerang.
Speaker 4:Eddie. I'm talking about Boomerang Eddie, boomerang Eddie. He had gel in his hair.
Speaker 1:It was pretty, it was pretty.
Speaker 4:No, what's going on?
Speaker 5:Oh, Harlem Knights.
Speaker 4:Harlem Knights Eddie.
Speaker 5:He was fine.
Speaker 6:He was fine as is. He kind of was fine in life too.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think Eddie Murphy is a handsome man. He should assume Ignore the.
Speaker 4:That's what it is. That's what it is. That was the end of him being fine.
Speaker 3:That was the end Well, well, well. Which one In life that was the end of the rule. Was it because he started doing Dr Doolittle? No, because he just got older.
Speaker 6:Oh, Also nobody might also have something to do with the back, Because his character started. He got the role Once he went.
Speaker 3:You were a little.
Speaker 1:I think he started a little whitewashed.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, no, no, it just wasn't. Yeah, it didn't.
Speaker 5:I think he was just dating. He was doing oh you and Nicole is the black woman.
Speaker 1:After that he's married to currently married to a woman of Caucasian descent.
Speaker 5:Oh go yeah. But he was married. He was Hold on Woman. Why don't y'all say he went whitewashed?
Speaker 1:So when you started getting into like the dude Similar with Martin right, so like when he started doing yeah, the more mainstream stuff Like when Martin he started putting the black man in dresses, then he was like I don't know about the woman, but he was married to Nicole, then Also he was doing it.
Speaker 5:I think he was doing it because he had so many kids. He wanted his children to watch his movie.
Speaker 4:Oh, that makes it but also to just diversify yourself as an actor. Like everything got to be, shoot them up, bang bang urban flick. Like nah, I can play this.
Speaker 3:But he wasn't. What are you doing? But he don't like to put a dress on. Yeah.
Speaker 4:That's what the guy, that was the thing, though.
Speaker 5:If you play a woman Wait when did he?
Speaker 6:When did he put a dress?
Speaker 5:on Dr Duke no.
Speaker 1:Nutty Professor.
Speaker 5:Nutty Professor no.
Speaker 1:Nutty Professor.
Speaker 4:He paid all the difference.
Speaker 6:He paid his mom and his wife.
Speaker 5:But that shit was funny, I think, and that's awesome. But that's what the time was, too People were doing it.
Speaker 1:I think what does not get enough credit, in my personal opinion, is Norbit. That movie is funny as shit to me. I watched Norbit.
Speaker 4:I gotta take it back. I saw it one and done.
Speaker 1:Norbit is funny.
Speaker 6:I gotta go back and see what you're doing. I gotta be high to do stuff, yeah.
Speaker 1:But and do that.
Speaker 5:Because that would probably make it even better.
Speaker 1:I should try that as well, but we're going to come back to this mark, because I'm going to be here looking at Wesley Snipes for 25 minutes.
Speaker 3:What was wrong? She can see you for 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:My child thought that Dragonfly Jones in Jerome was hilarious. Really, how is that? Well, you know, it ain't for everything, everything ain't for everybody.
Speaker 6:I like Martin. I don't think it's as high on the list as everybody is on everybody else's list.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's high on the list, but I do think it's the most.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 5:I love it. I love it, that's very it is.
Speaker 6:I can see that, though, him and Pam are fucking hilarious, but a lot of the slats they were dating at that time too, did I? Know that? Oh no, I didn't know, that I heard that was part of some of the issue on the set cause he was fucking with Tisha and Gina. He was never messing with Tisha.
Speaker 4:He never had a romantic relationship. He was dating Pam the whole time Well, not the whole time, but he was dating and then they broke up. So that was a little awkward. You about to do your makeup.
Speaker 6:He's a little sexual tension on set. That's where the jokes came from, cause I wish my nigga would dog me out. I feel like hold up.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying you be laughing.
Speaker 6:they be like wait a minute, what do you say? You're gonna fuck.
Speaker 1:You're gonna smell like old bus seats.
Speaker 4:Who says it?
Speaker 1:Mike said it to Pam.
Speaker 4:I know what an old bus seat smells like. That's nasty.
Speaker 3:To this day. Lord, don't like riding the martyr cause. It smells like old bus seats.
Speaker 6:They got plastic to the cow. That's just cause he know better.
Speaker 2:I don't mind him getting on the martyrs cause it's culture.
Speaker 6:Touche touche. So if y'all had to, it's Halloween, so if y'all had to dress up as your favorite black character or a black character, who would it be? Favorite character from a black movie?
Speaker 3:I'd be Grace Jones from Boomerang. Yeah, strong J.
Speaker 4:Pussy, pussy. That would be good, I explained it to you last year.
Speaker 3:Was that last year? You don't want to smell? Get your legs down Time out. Oh, that's his. I'm gay, you're not gay, he's gay, he's gay. My brother is gay.
Speaker 6:And he's gay. You're not gay. I actually asked the question. I have no idea who I would dress up as.
Speaker 3:I'm thinking Me too, I would act to be Neal Long from Friday when she running down. Yeah, that's cute. What's the girl's?
Speaker 5:name Bebodehose. What was her name? What was her name? Actress? She's young, she got baby pictures. What's her name?
Speaker 1:She, she did a fuck, she. So she was on a reality show where, like a bunch of actresses, were not doing anything. And in Friday, what was her name? I can't think of her name. That's girl.
Speaker 3:I remember the moment I said that girl was on the phone, joy.
Speaker 6:Was her name Joy? Uh-uh, I bet you was.
Speaker 4:Oh, the one with the mouth, paula J Paula.
Speaker 3:J White. But what was her name on Friday? I'm not J White, that's no other person.
Speaker 4:Michael J White. Michael J White, this is Paula J. Parker, you just married that lady off, Okay.
Speaker 5:Paula J Parker, that's what it was. Her name was Joy White new fools fall in love.
Speaker 4:That's another great night with Joy. Her name was Joy. Yes, I'm telling you that's one of my favorites. Did anyone see White new fools?
Speaker 5:fall in love. Yeah, I'm like that. Oh, that was a good one, yeah, frankie.
Speaker 4:It was that when that dog jumped out.
Speaker 3:Oh, the dog jumped out the window.
Speaker 4:No, he threw that dog out the window. It bent him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he dropped it. I don't remember that part. Yeah, we would have had to fight.
Speaker 4:He would have been out that window, because it's true. No.
Speaker 5:I would have to go back, back, back, and I would have to say Mahogany, diana Ross. Oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 3:That's a good one.
Speaker 6:And Lady Sins of Blues. Lady Sins of Blues, that was a good one too. That was real good Diana did great, she did.
Speaker 3:And was it Richard Pryor that was in it with her.
Speaker 6:No, it was.
Speaker 3:Richard for sure that was her buddy who tried to keep her off the.
Speaker 6:Oh, to keep her off, not her loving cheeks.
Speaker 5:Yeah, okay, let's see Billie Holiday.
Speaker 6:The Lady's in the Blues. Look at them. Damn, she did a great job. What's O'Girl who did her after?
Speaker 2:Who just did Audra Day. Audra Day, she did a great job and her record what's?
Speaker 3:the fail of Earth a Kid. I know she's a well-reknowned alum Book of Merengue. No, no, but back then.
Speaker 1:Back in the day Like what Kat something we should know Kat.
Speaker 3:Wumman.
Speaker 5:Okay. And was she not in? Carmen Jones? Uh-uh, hold on no.
Speaker 3:I don't know enough of her, her outer.
Speaker 6:Earth. A Kid was more of a singer right Then she was an actress. No, she was an actress.
Speaker 5:She was a compromise. She did that, santa Baby. I think that's all I know about, did she?
Speaker 6:You remember? We all Google her. That's why we all quiet.
Speaker 5:You know she was a, she was a product of light. Really, who Earth?
Speaker 6:Aw, that's deep.
Speaker 4:Somebody give me some money, because I don't have nobody.
Speaker 6:Last time I was dress up for Halloween Did you see the stories we ate stories. The last person I dressed up as was Wait you, you don't have a black fur so you like dresses right?
Speaker 4:No, I haven't dressed up what?
Speaker 3:about Beyonce and Goldfinger. I didn't like.
Speaker 4:Beyonce, nor have I seen that hard movie. No, we gonna leave it, leave it, I said on what I said.
Speaker 3:She said, what she said, I said what I said.
Speaker 6:Oh, I had mercy. Well, I mean I.
Speaker 3:Do you have a heart to see her use?
Speaker 5:Um, hmm, mia, you got a heart, I just said it Diana Ross and Lady Sains of. Blue or Mahogany. Oh, that's really okay.
Speaker 3:I remember someone did that when we had that Mahogany dress at the store, that pink one that has a little. I can't think of nothing right now, that just stands out.
Speaker 6:It would have to be Carmen Jones. What's the original?
Speaker 5:Not the original.
Speaker 6:I mean they wearing the same shit, but you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:Who would I be? Who does that? I would say Nina from Love Jones. I could pull that off easy, yeah.
Speaker 2:This past Halloween, SAG after our ASTIS actors and its members not to participate in dressing up as characters from film and television shows. This conversation inevitably created a great dialogue between our hosts, because most of us are costume designers and the conversation was really about what the designers are, do the credit that they receive or don't receive, as well as licensing issues, and if SAG even has the right to ask this of a larger population. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 5:If you're asking a Halloween, which is a costume driven holiday, and not give costume designers the respect that they need, then I'd say to say so how would we do that?
Speaker 1:Because who are you to say?
Speaker 5:That ain't got shit like. If so they keep saying Wednesday Wednesday, wednesday Wednesday, bitch, that is Colleen Atwood, let's give it what it is.
Speaker 4:Who decided, what she would but a three year old girl in Target isn't like oh mommy, please give me the Colleen Atwood no I know but one of them. The general public doesn't care about that. They're saying for our members since we striking y'all, don't put these people's costumes on. This isn't an argument, but that's the same special. It's not their fight, but it's not their fight. It's just like, if it's Jewish, something weak and we're like but what about?
Speaker 4:those black folks. It's like girl, that's your thing, that's not our thing, so don't. While I feel you black people have a plight, I'm Jewish and I'm talking about my thing going on here. I don't feel like everybody has to hold a torch for your own personal plight.
Speaker 5:No, but I think if black people hadn't gotten their due since when ever like?
Speaker 4:I just feel like it's, but we have it, and they still ain't coming out already.
Speaker 5:What I'm saying is we still have not gotten our representation.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'll get the chance to I think the bigger conversation is.
Speaker 6:it opens up an eye to the fact that costumes and costume designers like this should be a whole other conversation with the DGA. I mean, none of this is director's skill, but you know what I'm saying the designer's skill. So I feel like CDG, I feel like that's the bigger thing is like you coming over here like, first of all, sega got bigger issues to be fucking dealing with. Fuck it, this shit.
Speaker 4:But that ties into their issue. I don't see how y'all don't see that that ties into their issue.
Speaker 5:I'm not saying I don't see it, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 4:It ties into their issue, their issue. We, the actors union, are on strike. Please do not promote any of these characters, because we are not promoting any bodies of work right now For film and television. I understand that part. I understand that part, I think the bigger thing is the bigger conversation.
Speaker 5:That is a costume, that's my. They're asking not to do it for Hollywood. If they said, don't do this at your next party in December for your holiday party, okay, whatever, but it's Halloween. These costumes ain't about you anyway. It was never about you.
Speaker 4:But that's not the point. The point is it just so happens that this holiday is hitting during time that we are on strike. It could be Christmas, and they say don't put on those Santa Claus. Well, that's not the same thing, but it's like. To me it is. But it's not, though, because I don't think that that's a licensed body of work, santa Claus that the AMPTP produced.
Speaker 6:Unless you're dressing up as Billy Biodthorpe from Bad Santa, then okay, specifically, we know that's Bad Santa, that's a movie, but I think that also is the larger conversation of respect and due diligence, and what you call it is the fact that the licensing should be part of whatever the deal points are for the film. The deal points are for the designer, so that they can get their recognition. Fuck, recognition, give me a dollar, right, give me a dollar.
Speaker 6:Give me dollars on the sales. That's really the bigger thing. So, outside of SAG saying whatever they want to say, it brings up and brings to light the bigger conversation of one designer's not getting their due on these characters that they build from their imagination Not the AMPTP, whatever the fuck, not from the director, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6:They can get a lot of time, not from the actors, not from the actors either, because a lot of times the designers have to fight to even make this shit happen, to show the dream To tell them to put that shit on. Exactly so we can keep the fuck moving. Exactly so. The bigger thing is now that we end this holiday, or what a that sounded bad coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 6:Now that we're in this, whatever you know what I'm saying. This is the time that should be a shine to light on these costume designers, because that's all this is about is the costumes that came from somebody's brain and now people are walking around dressed up.
Speaker 4:This should be on the national costumes of America's holiday calendar.
Speaker 6:No, I'm saying get your. Wouldn't you want to get your money? A moment to get your money. You know what?
Speaker 4:I'm saying Well, no, no, no, you wouldn't you get your visuals Right.
Speaker 6:Because the production studios they're getting positioned there. First of all, they're getting notoriety from what people wearing these costumes, like your point was just made. Also, they're getting dollars. After you go to the store, you buy this little mermaid costume, they get a dollar off that. But who's getting? You know what I'm saying. Is the designer getting any money off of that? No, because they signed over Right. So like that, the bigger conversation is like give me a cut of my creative intellectual profit.
Speaker 4:I didn't even know that that was a thing until, I think, around the time of Black Panther one and speaking with some people who are part of that project and you know it's a very collaborative project Every, every, every film, every project is very collaborative. Yes, you have department heads, but you also have people who can come in and say like, oh, I think if you made that purple, that'll be great. Or I have these other type of buttons. You know we could put those on there. And again, the most of the credit and stuff, you know nobody knows like who said, like, put that strike there, that becomes the infamous strike of this you know costume or whatever. But I say all that to say it's a collaborative process within a department and there are parts of your intellectual property that you are putting up for. You know this collaborative creative process.
Speaker 4:However, if Disney and Mattel, if anybody decides to now mass produce that body of work, those buttons that everybody's like yo, those buttons are crazy, blah, blah, blah, like that was your idea and you see nothing from that. And I didn't know that there wasn't like residuals or, you know, licensing fees or payouts or anything for designers, especially who designed these costumes, and I actually have a classmate who worked on the licensing side of things for Marvel and he kind of explained, like, especially when it comes to superheroes and stuff, some of that is building off of an existing character and building off of an existing costume. So even when we talk about Black Panther, black Panther has always had like a black jumpsuit situation with some claws. So even though we might go in and we revamped and updated it over the years, it's still kind of building on an original intellectual piece of property. So then that gets real hairy of like, well, did you really come up with the claws Like, or did you really come up with a black like?
Speaker 4:So I think that it'll be great to kind of speak to somebody from that world who can kind of say, like why that is the way it is. I mean, of course it will be too costly, not too costly, but if nobody's fighting for it, why would I Mattel, marvel, whoever break you off? A check for every. You know Barbie sold if I don't have to, because legally I don't have to. So I think that goes back to the next round of negotiations specifically for coming. Yeah, for those crafts to be like, if I develop this new character and if y'all put this, a mass production. I need, you know, a residual for, for perpetuity.
Speaker 6:So yeah absolutely. Okay. So before we get off the witch collar, I do want to see last night, like when, to say we did have a little dinner, but I would like everybody just tell us what we were. What was on our bodies? You will see the pictures on the IG. A shout out to Stoge's and Stilettos at Casablanca. Oh, that's cute. They took care of us.
Speaker 5:They sure did. We had pumpkin soup, is that what you call them?
Speaker 2:Roasted pumpkin soup yeah, that's their like moniker, stoge's and Stilettos.
Speaker 6:I was. I was telling Stoge's the letter with my daddy, okay, but I was telling them. I was like y'all need to do these private dinners more like you know as a thing, and just pair Stoge's champagne, you know, just do the whole shebang and charge with you. Charge and do the thing, because people come over there all the time at waiting for him to cook.
Speaker 5:Oh, really Not waiting.
Speaker 6:No, they do. They come over and linger and smoke some guards and I'm like you need to just tell these people put some bread down and do what you do. Make it a nice private dining experience. That's weird. Don't be a freeloader. Yeah well, people love the space, so a lot of times you would be like coming over just to create it beautifully. Yeah, they wanted to make sure every portion of the house was aesthetically appealing.
Speaker 3:Every moment of the house had intent, which is very great yeah you don't always. You don't see that often.
Speaker 6:And it helped that they built it, so it's not like they had to do what they need to do.
Speaker 3:They were able to customize the space too. Because they have a six foot long tub. She mentioned her.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful upstairs.
Speaker 3:That sounds great. We're going to talk about the looks from last night.
Speaker 1:Talk Go ahead. So I had one. Yes, yes, I had on a pair of Dundas Coral print trousers with a little elaborate print there. Yes, pleated moment, pleated pant a little tight on the waist, you know tight on the bootay is, but it was cute. I wore a white body suit from Eritzia, very form fitting, square, cut at the neck, so you know it's giving just the right amount of boobage and, you know, cleavage that you like to see. On top of that I threw on a leather, a vintage leather crop jacket, and I wore a pair of silver platform open toe shoes by Schutz.
Speaker 6:Beautiful.
Speaker 1:And my accessory Sonny. You blinged out on an accessory, yes, I wore a vintage rhinestone clip on earrings and then I just threw on some gold stackable rings, so you mixed your medals.
Speaker 3:Mixed my medals I like mixing them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shit, shit, yeah, shit. Yeah, it's super cool, so cool.
Speaker 3:So nice.
Speaker 6:So cool, who would do that cheek shake? I just kept it really simple and wore this like Votier, like crushed velvet, black long sleeve dress with like a little shoulder pad situation, very, very short kind of I don't know what you would explain this skirt as A faux wrap. Huh, it was like a faux wrap situation, but the dress was really a body suit, so it was holding everything in.
Speaker 1:I thought that was a dress.
Speaker 3:It is a dress, but the body suit is built in underneath. Yeah, because it's so short.
Speaker 6:That's nice construct, yeah, so that you're not slipping out and there's no.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, cooch, yeah, so that's how it was really that short, yeah you can do the breeze, yeah, but I mean there's also a black velvet yeah yeah, and I had everything tucked in, so make sure that.
Speaker 6:And I just had a like a simple silver necklace that kind of just like, draped in between my cleavage. I didn't wear any earrings, because I just got overwhelmed and left them off, and then.
Speaker 3:And then I had, but you did wear your tortoise shell sunglasses. I did?
Speaker 6:That was the thing I looked, and when I look back at the picture I was like damn, I should have kept them glasses on for all my pictures. I needed a little accessory or whatever. But yeah, and then I forgot where my shoes are from. But Aquazure, aquazure, yup, a black sandal that had like a feather accent around the ankle and around the toe strap.
Speaker 2:So you can't really see all the straps.
Speaker 1:Very dainty.
Speaker 6:And then, yeah, that was it Red lips, red nails, red shoot toenails and kept it pushing.
Speaker 3:You know, red moments with the black is always a good touch.
Speaker 1:And I felt like it was the red nails.
Speaker 3:It's just subtle color and crushed velvet.
Speaker 6:You know it was giving a little luxury, sexy luxury.
Speaker 3:Cocktail attire, yeah that was the theme guys. It was cocktail attire. It was cocktail attire.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dress up.
Speaker 6:Put that shit on, put that shit on.
Speaker 1:Ooh, this is the one, how come I said 1980s it was Ashley modern day.
Speaker 5:No, for real. I thought that was vintage. I did too. It looked great.
Speaker 1:Her name is Eddress. It was made for you.
Speaker 5:It was a red leather, which is probably why you thought it was vintage. Red leather is very very much so sleeveless, I don't know. Super hero moment.
Speaker 2:Had a keyhole.
Speaker 5:Had a keyhole. They had a neck, a wrapped neck. It was below the knee. Cutouts, cutouts. Yeah, the cutout was made at an advantage. It was a black tights.
Speaker 2:It did yeah.
Speaker 5:That's what it kind of did Some black tights I cannot remember the name of the dress. I don't know the name of the designer of the dress. I'm going to have to go back. The black tights are from sheer tits. Those tights that do not rip, Everyone should get a pair. They were super thick too. Yeah, they were thick, but they had some opaqueness to them. They were super thick. Silver and gold Giuseppe's platforms sandal, which I love Because I have ankles that are in trouble so I have to wear a platform. Okay, so yeah.
Speaker 6:And what was the first Dress?
Speaker 5:or Ricawn Ricawn.
Speaker 6:That was fantastic.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that bag.
Speaker 6:It almost looked like a bag. It kind of reminded me of like Mugler because of their bone bags they're super long bone bags. It was like softer leather yeah.
Speaker 1:It's a dramatic bag that bag. I love that bag that was a good bag.
Speaker 3:Sure, I didn't get it.
Speaker 6:Where'd you put it on?
Speaker 3:I was wearing a. I had on a, a blue and white stripe button-up that had a little beating at the neck and then I added a ribbon to give like a pseudo tie effect. Then I had on a satin skirt that also came from Aritzia that skirt was Aritzia.
Speaker 6:They just came out with the fuck they doing over here.
Speaker 5:They do have good shots, you gotta really not have shot them too this
Speaker 1:is an art to learn.
Speaker 3:I went and I was perusing and I was like oh and uh, what else? And I had on. No, I had on so be a webster. Leopard and pink fur shoe and my top was Prada.
Speaker 6:But the inspiration tells me, your inspiration for the night, because you live on. Who had this?
Speaker 3:oh yes, so um, I I you guys know I love sex in the city, and so Carrie did a moment and a cute little satin skirt that had fur on the back, and when I saw the little set and said I was like what am I gonna do with it? So I paired it with a button-down blouse and instead of having fur on my skirt, I've had it on my shoes. And the pseudo tie was inspired by Jenna Lyons. She does the little tie a lot and, yeah.
Speaker 5:Again, you're carding in.
Speaker 3:Oh, and my cardigan that's cause it was off and on.
Speaker 1:That was a cute cardigan Cuz it almost looked the fitting of it looked like a jacket, the way it kind of sit down. Yeah, but it seems like it's, it's got a little yeah, yeah sure sure yeah it looked like a jacket. I thought it was a jacket, oh yeah thanks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that was my pseudo cocktail moment. I like our all of our interpretations of what cocktail is. Yeah, it wasn't like just one dimensional. Like she put her pants ice or her metallic. She's gonna tell you about that, and me with leather. And yeah, like you would that. Like everybody had their own tone to what Cocktail is, which is great. It made me miss our dinners.
Speaker 6:I was like oh, I mean it? Was one of our dinners.
Speaker 3:But like also, I was like dang yeah, I know the feeling of getting dressed up like I was excited to like put clothes on. Yes, it's like a sport.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and it's fun. It really is getting dressed is a sport. You could be somebody different if you want to be.
Speaker 3:I've run around in sweats all day long, so to be able to put on a cute sassy moment, yeah, I wish I could get my hair as quickly as I can change it.
Speaker 1:Just for our listeners out there. This is kind of how we kind of well, we, we were all working together, of course, and we came up with the idea to do the podcast, but we ate came from us dining and having our, our dinner club Liddy name Dining experiences. We were doing and going, you know, dressing up really nice and going out to eat Amazing food and have these really good cultural dining experiences, and so, you know, that is how we got here today.
Speaker 1:Yeah so we're gonna tie this food in, we gonna figure it out, we gonna do it more.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and we go show you, we'll sing, post on Instagram all of our looks and some more. You know dinner content and hopefully we'll be out of this strike soon and we can do the full capacity of the thing. Did you guys see me? Oh, has a. You said you didn't want to go. That's why, just okay, go.
Speaker 4:Then you say you know, I thought we all weren't going. That's why I was like so last night for dinner I was wearing a metallic one shoulder, strong, shoulder down. I guess you can call it a gown. Yeah, I hit the floor again. I do not know who it was made by, but I'm pretty sure it was not designer. I'm pretty sure that came from one of our fab and frugal Fast fashion type of people. And, yeah, I paired it with some tortoise shell cat eye sunglasses, some Cheetah print heels and Tortoise shell earrings and I also paired it with my vintage YSL a little clutch. Yeah, that's sorry.
Speaker 5:When y'all get dressed like what is y'all, what is y'all's like process yeah your thought process. I talked to everyone individually about what they were wearing and everyone had their own way of thinking about it. I think Winter and I were very similar, like I don't know. You know, we'll figure it out when we figure it out. Yeah but then what comes to you to make you say, oh, I'm gonna put this on when I'm not?
Speaker 3:actually pull like reference or image, like I was like oh, I can relate to, like that carry moment. Yeah, any y'all like, put yourselves in and look and Try and figure out to go from there. I did that today I mean it's like how did you get to?
Speaker 4:metallic. For me it was a conversation on Mia about. So I put in a group chat I think it'll be cute if we all wore different fabrications. So I already knew Aziza was wearing velvet. And then when If we all had different Fabrication, so Aziza was wearing velvet and then Mia was like she was wearing leather and originally I was wearing a patent leather High slit pencil skirt. But then when she said she was wearing leather, I was like. And then Aziza was wearing black and I was like but mine is black, I don't want to wear that.
Speaker 4:So I did literally just pull something together super last minute. For me it's like what do I feel good in today was what makes me feel like I don't feel squished, I feel confident, I feel comfortable like. So that's my process. It's never like drawing inspiration or going to Pinterest board or like somebody from a fictional character. For me is like, out of everything, I got here I'm about to try all these things on and I like pre prepped the night before a whole nother outfit. I did a whole trial run. Oh, okay, how do this look? Do you like it? Is it comfortable? Can you move around? Okay, blah, blah, blah. And then, after talking to Mia, I was like let me just do something else. So that was, that was all night.
Speaker 3:You did those two looks in one night.
Speaker 4:No, what I ended up wearing was like an hour before Left the house because why you was cooking dinner.
Speaker 1:And made it on time. Cuz baby, my my room is fucked up now cuz I was trying to pull looks for last night.
Speaker 3:I mean, I went, I was in a car and she still was in a car in my face time when she was like I don't know what I want.
Speaker 5:She still managed to get there before you, but guess what I live further than all y'all.
Speaker 3:Okay, she live in a bun here, I do At five o'clock. I'm gonna know Cool Five o'clock traffic coming from here to the south side.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you put the GPS on.
Speaker 3:Yep, and guess what? I had to hop off the highway and take the streetway.
Speaker 5:I had to take the back way. The GPS was here. Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1:She, I went through some, some looks. I pulled out this Fuchsia vintage Dress from like the 80s that I was gonna wear. But I had like originally I wanted to wear this really obnoxious shoe, cuz I was like, oh, what can I do with this shoe?
Speaker 1:But I was like gonna wear like blade, a blazer, this black satin blazer, blazer and I was gonna throw on these wide leg Pants with these obnoxious shoes and I say they're obnoxious because they're like, completely blinged out but I was trying to like with the pan, kind of like Tony tone it and just look like Kind of fashion, but it ain't hit the way I want to hit.
Speaker 1:It just wouldn't do what I want to do. And then the dirt it looked Super tacky with the the fuchsia dress. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna say these for another time. Whoo, I got into pants last night. You know when they call me. I had the pants in the body suit and trying to figure out what I could throw on top. I had an oversized blazer at first, but it wasn't. It wouldn't give me what I wanted. She was like just all you love the jacket? I said yeah, yeah, easy, those.
Speaker 3:That's the staple. These are what we're talking about. Staples in these closets, like good leathers, good blazers Everything that we're talking about here are all staples. Yeah, good, good dress. It's a nice black dress is yeah, body suits like these are all staples that we spoke to before. And having your closet, because when you get to that stuck moment, just throwing what?
Speaker 6:you know, yeah, strong, what you know, especially when you don't have time. Hmm, you didn't get out today, I see.
Speaker 5:I said have a uniform for the things that, when you don't know what to wear, I always have a go to.
Speaker 6:Jean's white shirt.
Speaker 3:I buy so many white t-shirts. It's insane, I got a great and gray sweatshirts. I live in them too yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6:I Actually been thinking about my clothes in my sleep. I try not to put too much, I'll think about it the day before and I go to sleep and then before I wake up and alarm go off and I just be like where do I want to look like in this base? That's usually what I think, because even we had a. I had a my creative studio in Washington D Street on DC, on U Street, called Abbeyland Society Just opened up last week and we had an art show and I was like all my friends is talking about what they wanted to wear and I was like, oh, artsy, we got this cabbage, oscar de la Renta Dressed with like a pussy bow red, with some cabbages on it. It's like real ridiculous.
Speaker 1:It was cute. It was very cute.
Speaker 6:But it fits nice and I was like it's artsy and I want to feel like I own an art studio and it's feminine, so I'm just gonna throw that on. And then I brought all these other options because I was like I never tried it on. I want to know, and the same thing. Last night I just thought about it and I was like I got that velvet dress and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna bring that. And I saw it in my head and I was like, okay, I'm gonna wear that.
Speaker 3:But then I ended up bringing like three other options to my dad's house and like four of the change of shoes and I went right back to wear and wear exactly what I had thought about before, because it's really just a feeling I'd be like I'd be a hot girl, you want to be a ma'am, you want to like you want to be a cowboy, like when you said that I was in my closet yesterday I was like I was telling she good, uh, I feel like it's time for my closet to progress, because I was in my closet looking at options and it's a closet of a girl or a young woman and now that I am a woman and a lady, it's like hmm there's moments and pieces yeah, like you go to pull the top and it's like, ah, this, yeah, you understand, either the quality out there is not fit right or whatever, and it's like, hmm, it's time for like some updates.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it's time because that's like a my closet, literally, is a closet of like, yeah, yeah so I was talking to someone and they said that what they have, what they do I don't know who this is. I know it was a conversation with somebody. It wasn't with myself, but they were like they go through their closet and they set up their closet like we do our costumes closets right, so like they actually put their looks off a pair of pants and then all the shirts that would go, and then a pair of dress and line up their closet like that, like try on things and then drop it is that a art style?
Speaker 6:too. I have no idea, but I just remember being like. It's such a good idea, but who has time to be at work in their house.
Speaker 5:I'm just such a moody dresser I just can't even imagine who knows and then we just say this can't go with some nails yeah, but even it's feels limiting.
Speaker 6:Sometimes, though, I do wish I did that, because I'll be sitting in my closet and I'll think about something to go together, like she can say, and I'm like oh, I have this vision and you put it together and like, this ain't it right, I was the other option in my closet and I can't find it and whatever, and it just like organizing your thoughts. I've started taking pictures and putting in my notes so when I lose, when I'm like I was like oh, just look at the notes.
Speaker 6:Okay, cool, I ran out of all those pictures. I already wore those outfits, so I gotta do it again.
Speaker 5:But I figure how to recreate them yeah, well, yes, yes, yeah, y'all shop.
Speaker 3:Y'all shop for the moment, or you shop for longevity oh, definitely for me.
Speaker 5:I shop for longer every now and then if it's a desperate situation, I shop for the moment and it's typically a target moment. Like you said about redoing your closet, I have so many like really cheap target sweatshirts in my closet right now for like oh it's cold, let me run the target. Yeah, I can't do that, no more. It just don't they stretchy out e, they just look nasty.
Speaker 6:I like pieces, yeah, because I mean, you know, for our work area, whatever, I rather get basics from work and and then buy pieces from wearing it. You know, oh, that's my interest, they on the top.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I did the opposite me and my sister had this year where we, during COVID, we was like we're only gonna buy black luxury designers and I was like, okay, and we just own furniture, clothes, we just got pieces from black luxury designers. And I was like this is way better than just like. I rather get something that I love, that I know it's gonna like be a moment me, even if I'm buying it for a moment, it's just gonna resonate beyond that.
Speaker 6:I don't know because I always feel bad. I I regret it when I buy something cheap, cheap, and then I'm like you should fucking about the fall apart yeah it's a good question.
Speaker 6:All right, y'all thanks for listening to another episode. We ate podcasts. This is. I hope you guys have a happy and safe halloween. If this is the day before, the day after, um, I hope you enjoyed yourself. I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Like I always say, follow us on instagram at we a podcast, and you can find us on all podcast networks. If you have any feedback, concerns or just enjoyed it, feel free to reach out to us, and if you have any show ideas or you know won't have anything that you want us to talk about, feel free to reach out to us, because we always look into our comments and our conversations with you all to get inspiration for our next episodes. Thank y'all so much and we'll see you next week. Bye.