The ladies of We Ate! give personal insights into our wardrobe switch for the cooler months. We share what it really takes to swap our cosets over, and serve up some insights from this years Atlanta Fashion Week. Plus, we discuss the validity of TI and Serena Williams fashion Icon awards, and what makes an icon.
What is the impact Atlanta has on the fashion industry? We get some first hand insight of the bold aesthetic of the Migos from Wintter Alex who styled their "bad and bougie" music video and much more. Turning the spotlight on the unsung heroes of Atlanta's fashion scene - the store owners and fashion entrepreneurs. We guide you through the treasure trove of curated pieces in local stores like Antidote and North Shore. We applaud style mavens like Jason Geter, co-owner of Heavy Market, who are reshaping Atlanta's fashion narrative. Tune in now to join the conversation.
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Produced by: Aziza Duniani @woman_Business
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Music by: Gavin Williams @thegavin1
The ladies of We Ate! give personal insights into our wardrobe switch for the cooler months. We share what it really takes to swap our cosets over, and serve up some insights from this years Atlanta Fashion Week. Plus, we discuss the validity of TI and Serena Williams fashion Icon awards, and what makes an icon.
What is the impact Atlanta has on the fashion industry? We get some first hand insight of the bold aesthetic of the Migos from Wintter Alex who styled their "bad and bougie" music video and much more. Turning the spotlight on the unsung heroes of Atlanta's fashion scene - the store owners and fashion entrepreneurs. We guide you through the treasure trove of curated pieces in local stores like Antidote and North Shore. We applaud style mavens like Jason Geter, co-owner of Heavy Market, who are reshaping Atlanta's fashion narrative. Tune in now to join the conversation.
Like, subscribe and be on the look out for a new episode every week!
Credit and special thanks goes to:
Produced by: Aziza Duniani @woman_Business
Music supervisor: Chic loren @chicloren_
Music by: Gavin Williams @thegavin1
What's up y'all? This is Sheeg Lorraine, and welcome to We8. We're spilling a tea on all things fashion, film and television, giving you an exclusive peek into our perspective on style and design. I'm a style and music, creative and self-care advocate. Hey y'all, hey girl.
Speaker 3:Hey boo, hey, this is Winter. Alex, I am interior designer, costume designer and personal stylist and I own the Manor Co.
Speaker 1:Peace, hey, hey, hi, I'm Isi Chabelle costume designer, event producer and all around doc connector.
Speaker 2:I'm Mia Nunnally, costume designer and creative director. Hey y'all.
Speaker 1:Hey, this is Isi Dunyani. I am one of your co-hosts of the Amazing We8 podcast and producer. Also, I am assistant costume designer and we got a fly show for y'all. Today we will be talking about what the style has to say in regards to style and fashion. The temperature just dropped a good 20 degrees, and so you know that's what that means. We'll be changing up our closet and pulling out them jackets and sweaters. Also, we'll be talking about what happened last week in Atlanta. We had Atlanta Fashion Week and still some residual shows going on, and we, a podcast, was present and active during our Eat the Street segment. So we'll be talking about that and a few other things. Let's just jump into it. It's a rainy day in Atlanta, ga, and I want to know how y'all switched up in closets, because it was just 83 days ago, literally. Yeah, well, I spent all weekend actually swapping out my spring summer for my fall winter, because, until I upgrade the square footage in my house, I can't fit all four seasons, like about two and a half I can fit.
Speaker 1:You got to bring out them. Storage bins Storage bins clothes be smelling like mothballs. You got to wash them dry, clean all that, I see. Let's just be honest. I don't care how much closet space you use as a woman you never have enough, ever to pull out all four seasons. You're going to take up a whole nother bedroom. You're going to take somebody else's closet. It's okay, savvy going to be struggling with closet space as she gets.
Speaker 3:No, I have her closet.
Speaker 1:I know it, that's what I mean. I have her closet, I got the office closet, I got, and still, yeah, so it's bad. So that took hours, you know, to swap all of those clothes over. I was happy to purge a lot. Every time I swap the seasons I go through and be like I still ain't worn this, I need to throw it. I mean donated or just got a hole in it. Let me just throw it away. So different things like that. That's what I did. Anyone else? Wait, what's your borderline? I just had a question because I know my mama used to be like if he ain't wore it last year, you got to throw it away. But some stuff is like good to keep, it can't be hard. So because I'm still holding on to stuff, thinking I'm going to get back to my pre baby body, I'm like, oh, that's cute, I'm going to get back in it one day I probably got to let go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm right, but I'm I ain't there yet emotionally, so I'm going to go get that body by Jake and I'm going to get back in that thing.
Speaker 2:Lord have mercy?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Surgeon. I just always say that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it used to be in the 80s. There was like body by Jake or something. I think it was like he probably a workout dude Like a probably well, I don't like that. Give me the Jake with the nip and the tux. That, dr Jake. No, ma'am Mia, I see you brought out your leather girl. That's my shit. That's all you brought out. Just do that shit.
Speaker 2:I'm going to dress and I still ain't got my summer cloud. I haven't taken my summer closet outside of my stores unit, so I am yeah.
Speaker 1:So you've been wearing winter clothes all summer.
Speaker 2:I've been wearing. I hate summer dressing. I've been wearing tank tops and, you know, jeans or sweats and tanks and you know, just simple clothing. It's be too hot. It's too hot in Atlanta, but no, I still got my fall clothes in my closet and if I want to pick something up, I'll just go to a store unit grab something real quick, which is what I did.
Speaker 1:Store unit is advanced Like you're not talking about your garage.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, because I, you know, as a designer, like we start hoarding things, that we eventually start, I like your kid, it's my kid, you know don't say hoard collecting.
Speaker 3:Okay, you're right, let's make it more sophisticated.
Speaker 2:Collecting. I start collecting things, intentionally collecting things, and I put it in my storage unit versus in my home. So yeah, which is nice, mm. Hmm, I got a lot of shit I like you.
Speaker 1:I like you. She could use track suit out today. Girl. Listen, I've got some bins in my closet that I just kind of pulled out a few things but I have not done a full crossover. I literally have shoeboxes outside of my closet. It's a mess right now and it's a little difficult to for me to swap everything out because it's still hot, like it's going to be hot again. It's going to be 80s and it's rainy, kind of chilly. So I got the sweats on today. I'm chilling, yeah that's right Rain sneakers.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I've just kind of the way my closet is set up. I've already got like sweats and stuff in easy accessible drawers, but it's still a mess I can't hold you. I keep them sweats in the closet.
Speaker 3:I keep everything out.
Speaker 1:I just got two collapsibles in my closet. One got like stuff that's transitional summer, spring, fall, and then coats, jackets, out of wear.
Speaker 1:And then you know, because I rather just throw on, like I said the last episode, I rather just throw on some jeans, a t-shirt and then put on like a nice little outer piece and that's my statement moment and I can't push it. My little brother tease me all the time. He like you love a statement piece, you gonna wear a t-shirt and some jeans in a statement piece. I'm like yes, I will.
Speaker 2:That's all you need.
Speaker 1:I will A gray shoe and a gray jacket, coat and a collar today.
Speaker 3:Collar today.
Speaker 1:They're on a little accessory.
Speaker 3:A lip yeah.
Speaker 2:That's why last week we talked about what is it called? Like what staples? Are in our closet and then white tee and your jeans. I think both you and I, Zeeza, got them white. Well, tees and jeans yeah.
Speaker 1:Collar, simple yeah. What about you, winther? I see over there you took, she came in here looking like Inspector Gadget.
Speaker 3:I sure did. I had my rain attire ready. That's right, let's see, I just bought another shelving unit because, like I see, I'm out growing my space and I needed to add an addition. Just to put shoes on, because it's a thing, I keep a coat closet so I don't really have to do too much swapping in and out. Yeah, and, like you guys said, the essentials in your closet tees and jeans that's the thing. So not too much swapping out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, keep it easy, mm-hmm. More of the story is I actually got an A for advanced effort because she did that. Yeah, that's a whole other thing. My closet ain't really going to get swapped out at all until maybe it's, you know, 10 degrees outside, and I'm like I cannot take up space with these tank tops on a hanger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I do. That's what I do you can't get tank tops. No, I don't hate my tanks. That's the Zeeza. But I'm saying my mind will not get swapped out until later on in life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm just trying to be safe Life or end this season.
Speaker 2:May end the season.
Speaker 3:Not ever.
Speaker 1:Right, it's really. She's going to keep taking them trips to the shelving unit Right. Yeah, that's why you get your shelving unit right up the street from your crib, you know, or your your storage unit. Storage unit.
Speaker 2:But it's really easy for the listeners of you know, it's really easy to transition from summer. It's much easier than you think. Let's just say, to transition from summer to fall, fall.
Speaker 1:Yes, depending on where you live, though. I don't know, I don't know when else I mean, unless I mean yeah, some people not like you know, like even you think like mid, midwest, midwest or upper, you know, your North Dakota, south LA, it's already cold, cold. They always cold for us standards Cold, they probably always cold. They probably always got a flannel on somewhere. If you from Antarctica, alaska or Canada, it's something.
Speaker 1:Let us know if you wear real clothes in the summertime or if you naked, like us, but even like in New York, right Cause we've all spent some time up there. You know, in that space, in that area, how did you transition when you was living in New York?
Speaker 2:Well with with even less closet space than.
Speaker 1:I have now.
Speaker 2:What I did. I would do like I transitioned, using mixing and matching of the weight of the clothing, if that makes any sense. So, for example, if I had a slip dress, I throw on a cardigan, a thick knit cardigan If I had, let's see what's another example and then maybe some boots, so the slip dress, which would have been summer, and then you throw on something heavier, so like the lighter, like if I had like leather, I would do my chiffon. Or if I had what's, another good example, if I do fire, Fire.
Speaker 1:Well, of course very heavy. Oh yeah, that you can't really hit that until winter. Winter, that is a winter moment, that is a winter moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but now I'm like you know just playing with the weights of your, your pieces, I think.
Speaker 1:And she really just wearing cause Atlanta, I feel like, first of all, I just be tired of being naked in Atlanta.
Speaker 1:I don't want to wear no more shorts, no more mini skirts, no more tank tops, but it's so damn hot. You kind of just got to do what you got to do. And then come that nice little break of 70 degrees. I'd be like where my jacket at. I didn't feel like, was it a brutal summer this year? I don't know, it was that bad. It was like 90 degrees for like a month straight, maybe two months straight, maybe because I love the heat, like I hate cold weather, like I'm dreading winter season, but it didn't feel like it was that bad.
Speaker 2:It was hot.
Speaker 1:It was Haiti's hot. Anyway, let's get up off this cause. I mean, it is what it is. And as the weather started to drop, we also had a couple of like fashion week events. You know, atlanta has been teetering with the fashion week festivities for the last couple of years, so they had a formal Atlanta fashion week 2023, like a schedule was put out, everything. There is a website for it in the whole shebang. So me and Icy went to one of the events on lat a couple of Fridays ago you know, by the time you guys hear this and it was a cute little I don't necessarily know how to describe it. It was like a exhibit of sorts. So there wasn't actual fashion shows, but they had designers set up in different installations and they had models wearing their clothes, but they were stationary, so very art show kind of vibe. And then there were panel discussions and talks galore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it was pretty cool. I like that, the fact that the underground has started to elevate itself to a new upper echelon world. It was really nice to see Atlanta out doing their thing, creatively and artistically expressing themselves through their clothes. And it wasn't that old Atlanta bus down highways ligging traditional night 2016 vibe you know what I'm saying Like it wasn't the older who's who of Atlanta. It was like your scads students, your people who come down from I don't know Pittsburgh or wherever, your cost assistant costume designers and costume designers and shoppers. Like it was more of that world. So it felt really good. I don't know. I see, tell me what you feel. I just so.
Speaker 1:Atlanta fashion week started back in 2007, I believe by a woman named Paula Whittle, and I believe he used to be called rat trade before it took on the name of Atlanta fashion week. Yeah, just to echo your sentiments, it felt like a breath of fresh air in terms of seeing the individuals who are there in the crowd. You know, people really came out in their individual style. Everybody was different. There was nobody in there wearing the same thing somebody else had on, which was refreshing. It was labels without monograms and just Gucci, you know, or LV print everywhere. It was just very tasteful in the taste makers of Atlanta. So I really appreciate that it wasn't at least a particular event that we went to. It wasn't the vanity invitations or the people who we just want to put on a pedestal because we know their name will bring folks out. It was really given an opportunity to up and coming designers and already established designers to just showcase their stuff. So I thought it was great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so while we were out there, we were able to meet a couple of people. We started a segment called Eat the Streets where you will see the We8 hosts out in the world taking videos, people that we find style, inspiration or just our fly in their own right. So if you go to our Instagram page, you can see some of those people. We interviewed the LXXV designer super fly, super dope, good energy. I gotta figure out his name but shout out to him for speaking to us and had taken that moment, I think, to add on to what Icy was saying about not getting seeing a bunch of vanity invites to this event. The last week or two, ti won like a fashion icon award in Atlanta. I mean, you know, let's just define icon here.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying? Cause clearly.
Speaker 1:This is a vanity. This is clearly a vanity award. You put some money down, and so I actually did look up the definition and screenshotted it the other day. And an icon is a person or thing widely admired, especially for having great influence or significance in a particular sphere. He ain't influenced me, y'all, I mean. I think there's a difference between.
Speaker 1:So, first of all, we throw out the word icon way too loosely, not just in fashion and music and everything, and it used to be. You had to work really hard and put in decades of consistent quality, investment and whatever your thing is to be considered an icon. We are now giving out that title way too easily to people who are significant and contributors, yes, but icons, no. Like you, should be able to count on your hands both hands, like who is a living icon that we have amongst us in the different genres in fashion, in music. There's not a lot of them, but we're throwing that title out like to make and it's losing its value. So I would say there's a difference between stylish people and someone who has stylish moments and someone who is a style icon. I wouldn't even put him in that category.
Speaker 3:And in your vote that you voted, I have stylish moments no.
Speaker 1:a sweater no.
Speaker 3:A sweater, a trench coat.
Speaker 2:I just want one for you, you can imagine. Yeah, I can One one, valid one, and don't talk about nothing on the GQ, that someone's so smart for him.
Speaker 1:What you just happened to step out is seen in like one, I just one, always just one. We gonna drop a picture in there. We not cause we're not gonna want it. I mean, we gonna find some magazine cover, so he will style what.
Speaker 3:I could think of? Is this contribution to what rubber band man when it was the Jorts and the oversized t-shirts in the early 2000s when we were in college, but as of today, no way.
Speaker 1:As of the past 10 years.
Speaker 3:No way, and I think I'll go ahead. Sorry, no, no, no, go ahead.
Speaker 1:I was just gonna say I think I watched the video of him getting the award and it was very much so like, thank you for financially backing these moments, thank you for giving creative space, maybe, to some of these people, but like, if that's the case, that's what the award need to say.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying as a contributor.
Speaker 1:As a contributor to the conversation, but not as the fashion icon. Yeah and that's what. So here's my take on it. Ti, like, like I said, using the word icon is a big deal legend, all the things and when I think of TI I definitely think of cultural right. If we wanna speak on the terms of him being a cultural icon or a trap icon, you know he definitely Maybe musically.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like musically and culturally he did some things.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Like it's not like I ain't gonna act like he hasn't done anything. But speaking in terms of fashion specifically, you know he's had, he's had a few clothing lines. Like he started off with the cool and then had Stryvers' Row and you know, knowing about Stryvers' Row, like he did have a showroom in Atlanta and you know there were. He gave creatives an opportunity and things of that nature. So, yeah, maybe culturally overall, like he's had his hands in different things. But when I think of icon, I just think of somebody so much bigger. And then I guess the question is who are the fashion icons in Atlanta? Are there fashion icons in Atlanta? Like, who are those people that you feel like have made or stick out the most Offset?
Speaker 2:I mean not only offset. Atlanta is so important. I don't wanna. I wanna say this Atlanta is so important to our culture, like it has done all the things.
Speaker 2:But my main issue with these fashion weeks and fashion icon awards or whatever, is that why are we trying to be something that we ain't, we ain't never been a fashion city? Yeah, you know, I mean, that's what you got the New York's for. You know, like people really need to understand that, what we are good at, just lean into that. You know which is culture, which is, you know, music. We can go on and on and on. Are there some fashion moments? Yeah, sure, you know, but I did not go to Atlanta Fashion Week but there was nothing. You know that I saw. That wowed me when I looked through all the IGs and I'm sure you know you guys being there, y'all had, you know, first hand, look at the things. But you know. So to answer she could. I just had to say that because Atlanta is such a beautiful and such a great city, especially for people that are black. You know, I'm not even gonna say POC or people of color, that's some bullshit.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about some black folk.
Speaker 2:It's a great city, but I agree with Offset there are so many people that are moved away from Atlanta that are from here, yes, and there are mostly I cannot think of any women who deserve anything outside, but the men folk are it. Yes, Now Andre Thiet 3000's Shamique Moore, who is the actor that does.
Speaker 1:Spider-Man.
Speaker 2:Spider-Man yes.
Speaker 1:We're calling that an Iper.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Somebody tell him to just call him. I don't even think I knew he was from Atlanta, I mean.
Speaker 2:So if I was looking through his Instagram page from Paris Fashion Week and I really liked the looks that he pulled together. I don't even know him, but I just looked at his IG page. But no, I mean Andre 3000, pretty much everybody from Goody Mob.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I guess I'm an old Atlanta head.
Speaker 1:But I mean, if that's what it said, then that's where it's at, that's where Atlanta is.
Speaker 2:But then if I'm talking New Atlanta, I'm also talking about Offset. I think I was listening to his Birth with Club interview this morning and he said when he puts that shit on, he thinks about James Brown and I was like what? No?
Speaker 1:I think so. Just to add to that, it's interesting because before even Offset was like Offset, right Back in the day when he was at this creative art school or whatever. He actually went to school with Renan.
Speaker 2:So In the Gwinnett camp. They like they are outside of Peremone, outside, yeah.
Speaker 1:So shout out to Renan hashtag NandoSchool I'm from here, I'm clearly in the side of Peremone.
Speaker 1:He said back in the day, like Offset was like the first one to come to school with the true religion jeans set and everybody was looking at him like he was crazy or like he was the first one to have like mixed media. Look so like different patterns, and people be like these dudes look wild, like just stepping out on them, and this is before the money, before the fame, whatever. And now for him to be where he's at. Well, you know, when you're where you at, far naturally you can't elevate that shit to a next level. You know what I'm saying. But it's just interesting to see how that's elevated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one thing I wasn't when you were working with them over at the dip doing the bad and bougie, like how, which Migos would you say was the most like I don't wanna say easy to work with, but the one that was the most susceptible to trying the things on, the one that was more like, okay, I'll do it.
Speaker 3:So let's see, the first time working with them was for bad, and bougie and take wasn't there. He wasn't there that day, I think he was.
Speaker 1:Who said I was left off a bad and bougie yeah, he wouldn't have been there that day.
Speaker 3:So it was Kway and Seth, and Kwayvo was pretty open to like more vintage things, cause originally I didn't get hired to work with them. They just happened to see all the things that I brought and came over and was like, ooh, what's this, what's this, what's this. And they picked some pieces from off the rack and it was one in particular that Kwayvo was attracted to, which surprised me, cause it was a vintage poncho, and he was like you think I could pull this off or whatever. And I was like, try it on. And he did and it worked.
Speaker 3:Seth's always been very particular about what he wears, always.
Speaker 3:So at that time there was a guy there named Chris as well. There was a store in the shops of Buckhead that had just opened and Chris had pulled some things and I think Seth moved in more of that direction, cause it was when those who was doing it Maybe McQueen had those them sweaters that had the gigantic holes in them, like very tattered that's what you see in the opening scene. So it was like a juxtapose to the two different styles of them, like one was open to be a little bit of a more vintage world and try something different, and I think Seth wanted to be more in like the high end world, cause you know they knew to it, so you know. But working with them on the rest of the album and the different shoots when we did like Deds and everything else, you got to see like I want this to be, like this winter, fresh and I want, you know, and it was cool until it wasn't So- yeah, do we have some other names that throw out in terms of like Atlanta?
Speaker 1:fashion icons, because I feel like so, I'm gonna play Debra's Averkin. I know he over there whispering over there, cayenne yo ear. What'd you say Goochman, oh no, no, oh no, no. Everybody dress like Goochman. That don't mean no, I was clap. I mean that deserves a clap. Let's clap. Okay. So Clap this whole segment, cause it's very, very nice I know.
Speaker 2:What's his?
Speaker 1:girl Keisha Cameron. Keisha Cameron.
Speaker 2:No sorry.
Speaker 1:I think the biggest thing to note is especially about Atlanta fashion. I appreciate your tid on the fact that Atlanta has not been that influential when it comes to fashion. In the conversation to the fashion world Outside of, like our back of the house, back of the camera folk. You know what I'm saying. I don't think it's moving the needle in that way, but I do. There is something to be said about the creatives not even just the fashion people who are moving out of Atlanta and going to New York.
Speaker 1:You know, what I'm saying Like that's. So I want to bring it back to what Mia said, because I think it ties into the question that I asked to the panel while we were there, right, and the question I asked was what do you say to the people who don't think that Atlanta has a right to pull up a seat at the table of fashion, like we have New York and Paris and you know all these other fashion ways? Atlanta is trying to establish themselves in that world, and kind of what Mia said of like well, why are we trying to be something we're not? I think kind of ties into Ebony's answer of like historically speaking, we know Atlanta more for its music contributions and its overall culture. It's never been a fashion city and we don't necessarily care if those major labels decide to come here and set up storefronts and all of that.
Speaker 1:I think, when you think about Atlanta style because Atlanta, memphis, has its own style like, style and fashion are two different things, and I think that's something that we should clarify. Style is just I know how to put something together. I have a perspective of the overall look. Fashion is a different thing in and of itself. They kind of are related but they're not interchangeable in terms of using those words. So when we think about style in Atlanta, and even some of the people that you all mentioned, like the Goody Mobs, andre 3000's, the way Ti used to wear his hat bent to the side, like that, all of that is their personal style and things that got adopted by the guys on the corners, or you know the different people. So Atlanta does have a sense of style. It is not a fashion city, but I think that it has the makings of being a city known for its own perspective of fashion. But if that's the case, then you need to really pay homage and owe to the people who are coming of new, like the younger generation I'm saying younger but whatever like the newer folks who are coming out with personal brands like your, beyond these, like my brother, universal righteousness, like giving space and voice to those people because they're going to be the people to switch the trajectory, based off of like what the creative perspective is, directly from Atlanta, and not trying to like meet up with a New York, meet up with Paris, like it's not that, it's never going to be that, but it can be its own world.
Speaker 1:I think, and I think that's what Atlanta fashion week felt like to me, like there weren't labels there that were, you know, designer labels. There were, like Kenya Mali, who was an amazing black woman designer that had this beautiful installation. I believe her clothing, her sizes are very inclusive. I think it goes up to like a size 16 and it was beautiful. It was a beautiful collection.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's what Atlanta fashion week felt like to me. It wasn't brands or anything that I've seen and vogue or I've heard about or I've seen on a celebrity. It was giving an opportunity to designers and people who are worthy of having that platform and as talented as many of these other houses are, but don't have the ability to infiltrate bigger fashion week. So that's kind of what it felt like for me. But I also feel like Atlanta fashion week branding wise didn't do their due diligence to push those people forward.
Speaker 1:If you weren't physically there, you're not going to know who those folks are. You go on their website. They're not listed on the website but you know who is BMW, bloomingales, whoever else. You know what I'm saying, but there is no link where I can go through, see the different designers that presented that fashion week and then go click and find out more and then actually create a following or a universe around this thing. It's like all for to show face. You know what I'm saying. It's really like oh, we got a fashion week too, let's do this thing, we're sponsored by these people, but then not really give the voice outside of being physically there to those people.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I agree with that for sure, I think, and thank you to Derek at Bloomingales Atlanta for allowing it, sending the invitation to me and allowing me to also send an invitation to members of our community, the costume community because we are completely left out of the conversation when it comes to fashion and in the industry, and the costume designers are an integral part of creating what ends up being considered fashionable or what you might end up seeing on a celebrity or something that's inspired and picked up by a certain brand or whatever. So I think there is a bridging of the gap and I'm looking forward to that gap continuing to be bridged Is that a word? By giving us the opportunity to come out to things like that. We're just as much a taste maker as the influencer from TikTok with 100,000 followers or whatever. So we have a right to be in these spaces and to be also applauded for our contributions to that space.
Speaker 2:I do think that if you are a fashion, I think, if you are a designer I'm about to discount on Atlanta that if you are very serious about your work, to go to your point about the beyond bees and a universal righteousness. And I would go even further in safety Ophelia, who is? Who is from Jamaica, yeah, but he grew up here in Atlanta, but we don't hear that, you know winter and I met him through.
Speaker 2:Sikina through the store blah blah blah and it's fun to watch him grow. But if you are serious, I do think that you should be you have to go. Yeah, I do. I do think that Atlanta is Atlanta.
Speaker 3:New York is a good starting place.
Speaker 2:It's a good starting place.
Speaker 3:I think it's a good starting point for up-and-coming designers, if you want to grow.
Speaker 2:Grow and you want to. You have dreams of being at New York Fashion Week, then you need to get jazz out of here, or if you just want to be inspired, like that inspiration part is so pivotal.
Speaker 1:Like, just speaking to my brother, he was here for a good amount of time. He was in San Francisco, he was in design school, all of the things. He came to Atlanta and it was like stuck. He's like I do not. I don't feel inspired to even for my own clothing, let alone to build and design something new because I'm not seeing anything new. I'm not even like refreshed. I need that new eye, new vision, new, new atmosphere.
Speaker 1:You know and I think New York, the New York's, the Europe's, the LA's they do that, maybe, maybe LA, maybe not, I feel like New York is where it's at.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying like it's just what it is, it's okay, you know. Atlanta, yes, great kudos to the young lady who got the beautiful art installation at Atlanta Fashion Week. But if you're serious is like I'm sorry, but I just really believe truly in my heart, as New York being my second home, I really believe that's where it needs to be, I agree why?
Speaker 3:I don't you think is it because of the visibility, because you have to get out and walk everywhere you go, versus being in your car here.
Speaker 2:I think that the culture in terms of style, to I see, point to fashion, to going outside and looking at the fucking pigeons, whatever is there's. So much because fashion, to me, style and fashion, all comes from various forms of inspiration. You know, it's not just oh this cute, no, listeners. It comes from, you know, the color of the wall draping behind you. It comes from interiors, it comes from books, it comes from music and I think on every single corner you can find the homeless man digging in the trash and be like, yeah, you know, I mean, it's just.
Speaker 1:I feel like you can find out here too, like okay, no, no, no, because I this is the point, I have them, I have to make because you know y'all cape for New York, so I'm gonna have to cape for Atlanta real quick, even though I don't even wrap Atlanta like that. But anyway, I don't, I don't, but I want to make this point.
Speaker 3:That was a contradiction.
Speaker 1:I know because because fair is fair and I feel like you can't tell people where they can find their inspiration.
Speaker 3:We got homeless people and we got pigeons and that same designer can go to little five points you've been there no no, no, I'm not being literal, maybe I am, but what I'm saying is.
Speaker 1:What I'm saying is you can't tell people you have to move to New York to get your thing off, because there are people who are, you know, successful in in there. Because, first of all, let's, let's, let's say this everybody's idea of like, level of success that Atlanta based designer who sold you know a hundred items at their trunk store and bucket, that might be their level of success or their level of how far they want it to go, I think is unfair this is my opinion to say you have to go to another city to really like, get your stuff popped off now, we're talking about like for access to fabrications, or we're talking about access to manufacturing or something. Yes, atlanta isn't set up for that and maybe you do need to make some visits to, you know to the to the ground, to the ground back to New York no, no, no, to get those supplies.
Speaker 1:But you can come home here and create your, your body of work in Atlanta. You can come here and be inspired by your neighborhood, by your city, by the history by Coretta Scott King, because I just went and toured the King's Center and look at this dress she wore and I ain't never inspired a mother fucking thing you know, not the dream.
Speaker 2:So what the dream?
Speaker 1:well I I mean when you say, okay, you might go to New York and you might go shop and get those supplies. I bet you're gonna walk around and get some inspiration there too, because there's just so much more to see it's different, it's just a, and it's right there yeah, like go out your way to see the inspiration it's like stepping outside your house and you're right there in it.
Speaker 3:Here's not gonna let it small say like.
Speaker 1:So I think that y'all saying like New York City proper right, like everybody no, no, no. Brooklyn, harlem, bedside, queens, all the way well for me I'm saying that's all New York City. What I'm saying is like how we got Atlanta right and then we got the different, like metro Atlanta area even the neighborhood, right, I'm saying you can get those same things off in Atlanta, depending on what your eye is and what your style is and what your? No, what type of designer?
Speaker 2:are you?
Speaker 1:you can't say. You can't say that a southern designer can go to New York and find inspiration. If that's not their aesthetic, maybe their aesthetic is talking to them.
Speaker 2:I get what you're saying I'm talking to the ones that really want to take it into a higher national you want to want to get to a higher level, like okay, I can be a costume designer and I can just design for the two bees and the lifetimes. But if I want to do a period film and one day be nominated for Oscar and I don't know if I should be doing it around here- or, or, if you should be in LA or if I should be in LA. You know, it is what it is like.
Speaker 1:We just but how many Oscar nominated movies as of late have been filmed right here in Atlanta. They might not have had local Atlanta costume designers. Some of them have the color purple comes out Christmas day. I was the acd on that, but the prancing Jameson tan Chuck is in Atlanta local who is probably at least going to get a nomination for that. Producers note in Didn't know what that she lived here. Yeah, they know she lived here.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought they got. She lived in LA.
Speaker 1:And Lana is getting bigger projects right and Lana is getting even New Orleans, louisiana, different places like that. So I know I and I feel like I'm attacking me. But I'm just giving perspective of light, to tell people you have to go to a different city to get a certain level of success. I feel like those opportunities can be found everywhere. Are they maybe more prevalent if you go there? Yeah, perhaps.
Speaker 2:I think there's a selling for Atlanta.
Speaker 1:That's the biggest thing is like, even if you want to do the things right, say I want to be mediocre, say I want to just to be a southern stylist and just Design.
Speaker 1:But, I'm saying like if and even if you want to do great things right, you can go to the Two modeling agencies in Atlanta. You can find fabric at Gale K, you can do these things. You know what I'm saying. But outside of that, when you, when you start to dream bigger or want more than what you've capped out at, you're gonna have to go in order to compete on a higher level with all of the designers coming out of New York. You know I'm saying if you live in Iowa, if you live in Missouri or wherever, you're gonna go to New York because you want that larger range.
Speaker 1:You want the Walmart of Options, you don't want the bodega corner store of options. You know you want the best, you want the best models in your clothes, you want the best agencies backing you. You want, you know I'm saying, the best fabric stores, the best manufacturers. And that's just going to take you to that level, because the marketplace, the commerce there is way higher outside and that's just outside of inspiration. You might be inspired by the all of the trees in Atlanta, ga, but I mean like I don't know, it's only so much you're gonna do, because even us, it's hard for us to even be inspired and what we're doing is creating everyday characters, so like to create something Fantastical. Yes, you might get the spawn of of the idea here, you might be able to conceptualize it here, but when you go out to a New York or a city that's at that magnitude, you'll be able to Manifest those things a lot easier than having to struggle and fight cuz you're trying to hold on to Atlanta.
Speaker 1:You know like reaching and sure it happens in so many creative ways. I met this one guy, white dude in the shops, a bucket. He was a street photographer. He was standing there taking photos of people and now he stopped me. He's like can I take your photos? I'm like, yeah, what are you doing? He's not my street photographer. I love, you know, street style, whatever. I love being inspired by fashion, but he's like I'm going to Paris though next week, cuz Atlanta's not cutting it for me.
Speaker 1:He literally said he's from here. He's like I'm going to Paris next week. Dude Ain't been back. I started following him. He's been at every fashion week New York, milan, paris, whatever. And then the same thing goes for and I'm saying this from a very intimate place because my brother is super creative my brother is like Visionary. He can put, he can manifest whatever he puts in his head. And when he went to New York, he was able to like, expound his network, expound, see how easily he can manifest the things that are inside his head, versus being in Atlanta and being like I can't see the end, you know. So I think that's the bigger conversation is like yeah, if you just want to do this thing and you're stuck to it and you're, you know, a dirty bird and this is what you like to do Hella disrespect.
Speaker 1:I'm saying, if you read a hawk or whatever, freddy Falcon ain't got nothing, I'm caught somebody. A dirty no Bird is a double entendre. That can also be.
Speaker 2:I was a Man's double entendre.
Speaker 1:I was a little about the Atlanta culture and if that's what you Sports, that's what it is. That's all I'm saying and it's not to knock to people and Lana.
Speaker 2:I got your back.
Speaker 1:I got your back Atlanta Y'all. Can Y'all keep knowing your thing, be creative, figure out your stuff?
Speaker 2:I don't think that's no one's selling the elite cuz we're Atlanta creative.
Speaker 1:I know one saying don't be creative in Atlanta, don't do anything, don't be inspired. Like be inspired, create new shit, create hell, elevate Atlanta, you know, in all the ways that you can. When it comes to creativity, I think the the main thing that's being stated is you, if, depending on how, like the levels of and again, everybody's measure of success is different, hmm, everybody, you know again that I get that. But if you're, I think what me is saying is speaking to, if you want to be the next, the Ophelia, not even that. If you want to be the next, Laquan.
Speaker 1:So, bottega, you know, they say like if you want to be the next high fashion is Going away from the cities that are not fashion. City that's going to New York, going to Paris like go International. You ain't even got to go to New York, but you gonna see a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I'm flashing there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean. I do think, though, the, the, the. The moral is to tap out your. If you're here and you are creative, don't stop what you're doing because you're not in these places. Right tap yourself out. Utilize all those resources until this box gets too small. Yeah and then, once it gets too small, don't be scared to leave, it's okay.
Speaker 2:You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying and then bring it back so we can look at something if we still here. So I did want to Tap back to the icon Conversation because we were talking about. You know, we kind of put the heavy Insta emphasis on Atlanta missing the mark with calling ti fashion icon. But CFDA just gave Serena Williams the fashion icon award and I think again missing the mark. Not knowing, I don't know what I don't know. We saw her at the Met Gala with the pearls.
Speaker 3:She was pregnant.
Speaker 1:We can't hold her.
Speaker 2:I didn't say she was be.
Speaker 1:I said I didn't like what she had on. I've never, I'm gonna just be.
Speaker 3:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Now. When I spoke to the whole ti Icon situation. Cultural yeah, okay, serena Williams. Cultural Sports culture. You know I export icon for sure but we're talking about fashion when. I think of a fashion icon. I think of a woman that she steps out every time she step out. Okay, I would have gave it to Tessa before. I gave it to Serena Williams, you know somebody who I put it in the group chat. Okay.
Speaker 2:Let's not even talk.
Speaker 1:I agree, let's not even talk about Her pregnancy picture. Pull up another one. Yeah, she's there. Never is from the makeup, and I'm just speaking to her whole look. We want to see you deck down, especially black girl fashion. We want to see that head, let hair deck down, whether it's something different or culturally inspired, we want to see everything from head to toe. So, Serena does not hit.
Speaker 2:Oh, what is?
Speaker 1:fashion about.
Speaker 3:I.
Speaker 2:Can't even look at that, I see.
Speaker 3:You literally had a visceral effect to that photo. That's how bad it is.
Speaker 1:I need to hear, even like with the whole ti, we're giving him this award. Why, yeah, speak to what. What is what? Do you see that his? But tell us what we know, though.
Speaker 3:It makes it comedic the fact that we gave that to him. That that furthermore States the reason why we are not taken seriously as a fashion, because it's about okay why? Are you giving this to him? And clearly he's not that you.
Speaker 2:And did you see what he had on when he?
Speaker 3:the scarf.
Speaker 2:The fancy work yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's even that Atlanta missed the mark in giving him that like even when we're talking about Serena. I think it warters down the honor for whoever?
Speaker 2:gives it the next year.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like people's like. What's it called Most beautiful man in the world, or whatever.
Speaker 2:And when they give it to somebody that you know is a political thing you like, bro.
Speaker 1:What the hell y'all got entered this name here and like for real, like we know we owed him a favor, or like there's something bigger he's about to do we're gonna need. You know it's something there because you're like. But so now the person coming next year it either really makes you appreciate. No, no, no, no, no, I'm eating now. No no no, it could be some years.
Speaker 2:I thought my baby had an MR. It'd be some years.
Speaker 1:So, CFDA no, so people when Michael B Jordan got it, you were like you know, I mean.
Speaker 2:I know he don't do, but that's me. But I understand that he's an attractive male. He's handsome. You know, like I do. Oh, you talking about them on the pants, the people, handsome men in the world, but you know, some years you can tell.
Speaker 1:It's like what's his name? A cumberbot shirt, whatever. You see, somebody on there you be like come on out, they have two, they got a appeal to all of them. I think the bigger thing is just give these people awards for what they are actually dope at, like. If you talk about like how maybe she diversified her looks on the court, maybe Diversification, I don't know. It's Gigi, since we're all blazers To play tennis. Did she do it? I'm gonna show you.
Speaker 1:From her. I don't mind what she did for tennis fashion. She did, you know, make it like we got body, Does that?
Speaker 3:make you a fashion. No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:A wheat.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, because Flojo would be considered a fashion With the one leg and the nails.
Speaker 1:Sports only Right Flojo couldn't pop out just on a red carpet and would still call her If she was still alive, you know like what would? We didn't even get the opportunity to have her.
Speaker 3:But that's what we know her for is how fashion and what she looked like on the track, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:But when you think of Serena Williams, comparing her to Flojo. I don't even see her in that, yeah.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying, because what do we know Serena for besides playing tennis? Well, is there a look that she's?
Speaker 1:I don't know Flojo for anything other than being a. She does, yeah, but I mean.
Speaker 3:But you know her look, you know what she wore when she ran.
Speaker 1:Because, of what she wore.
Speaker 2:But I know that for Serena too, what she wore I did. I see that on.
Speaker 3:I never, looked to her for fashion, for anything. Sometimes she wears the tennis skirt.
Speaker 1:Sometimes she has on the.
Speaker 2:She got black gloves for that black leotard.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, that was some bullsh.
Speaker 2:But that was just because her body, I mean it was, she got a body. What it says she couldn't wear. You can't wear stuff like that on a court. It was that black long sleeve on a bodysuit shorts, I forget.
Speaker 1:But you know that's and that's unfair, because that right there is tired and black women with curves and like that's not cool. But we talking about that, sean, yeah, she didn't.
Speaker 3:She didn't, she was at the pro we talking about. She got that Sean, that Sean, that Sean.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's so, my girl, my girl is a beautiful black woman who has made waves in the sports industry, absolutely Culturally and all the things. I'm going to give her her respect. Yes, whereas do. But when we, when I saw that, I said, well, hold on now, because I got to look, because I ain't never.
Speaker 3:Every time I see her I just like she look a mess. She always look like she. You don't know who I think she look like.
Speaker 1:She look like white. She dresses herself. Cut that out. Oh, she looks like a white chick. Yeah, they similar more than way still. The big face, the strong face, then, the white, the face lighted in the body. Oh the makeup. I think that's why she got a white man. It's bad, yes, honey. So what eye kind has bad makeup?
Speaker 3:Let's think about Diana Ross. Let's think about Dorothy Dandres. Let's think about the ladies who the Diana Summers. Do they ever step out not being great?
Speaker 1:No, you never catch them like Luster. This girl. If you got to give it to Rihanna every year, do what you got to do, sis.
Speaker 2:Does it have to be a? Is it a black woman? What am I missing here? What is this? It doesn't.
Speaker 1:We could have give it to Tracy Ellis Ross, tracy Bruh.
Speaker 3:Has she had it already? Has she wanted it? She should have.
Speaker 1:Give it to her again. Who let's run it again Previous, but we have to hold the people who are giving these honors to task and I think it's that pale-ish it that she was talking about Giving paying for it.
Speaker 2:I think it's pandering. I really think it has something to do with some black folks ain't feeling diverse enough. I feel like it's on that conversation.
Speaker 1:There's plenty of black people.
Speaker 3:I mean, tessa was a good one, tessa was a good one, tessa.
Speaker 1:Thompson Every time she hit that front.
Speaker 3:Not from a red red spot Period. Tessa on the street. She has a great style. She's fly.
Speaker 1:Great style. I mean, there's so many. Tracy Ellis Ross, there's so many women.
Speaker 3:Zoe Kravitz, she's another.
Speaker 1:She's great there's so many, but Zendaya.
Speaker 3:Zendaya. I think she won, but I think she won one before, I think she has. And then what's the other cute one, yara Yara Shahidi has she won.
Speaker 1:Yet she has, she won, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3:But what's Shiona? Shiona's good, and look what she did for Beyonce, and that's what I'm saying. That's evolutionary, right there.
Speaker 1:That's about the people who are working.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Why do they have to be celebrities? There are so many people that could have gotten that title Absolutely, if you want to go black, like there are so many people. But after all, even the designers, once they get to a certain level, they become more celebrity than they are designers, or they're now a.
Speaker 3:This is true Zareela's one of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or even your June Ambrose. She's now just a celebrity, she's still a fashion, she's still working though.
Speaker 2:She works, yeah, and that's fine.
Speaker 1:You can have elevated to that status. But those are people that have paved the way and have made their way in the fashion industry, june Ambrose may be a good one. They deserve those awards and they would give it to Serena Williams.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I do agree. What is this about?
Speaker 2:Sometimes we I think that's a big conversation of like I need a mic.
Speaker 1:The creative who put the clothes on the person and sold it to them. Because I think, mia, you've made this point before that like to style someone, to dress someone, is to also be a salesman. You have to make them feel the clothes feel the energy of what they're putting on and walk out with confidence. So, like somebody, whoever had the vision to put that on, the person deserves a oodles and noodles of credit.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, she is a stylist Absolutely, oh for sure. Like as soon as she says in day, I was like what you mean Law? You know what I mean, because I don't know if she's I mean, yes, does anyone ever look at law and consider him a fashion. For sure.
Speaker 1:But now it is stylish, but they don't though I guess that's the point that was just made Like he's responsible for all of these other people's looks, but in his own right, as an individual, he is a very fashionable, very stylish man who could be considered, you know, for some of these honors as well, but they don't see the workers, or what we want to call them.
Speaker 2:They don't see the behind the scenes team members as worthy of these honors I mean when we talk about Sarah Jessica Parker and Carrie Yonkseys in the city we rarely mention. Patricia Field.
Speaker 3:But she's not working with Patricia now, or who's hitting her looks? Because the girl's still serving.
Speaker 2:Is Patricia Field's assistant costume designer has bumped up.
Speaker 1:It's a guy too.
Speaker 2:It's Molly Molly Rogers, I think Pretty sure.
Speaker 3:That's who my slides were by. I didn't know that was who. That was Nice to know, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean. But the moral of the story is this is some trash and no, the moral of the story is we love you Serena, we love you TI TI, we appreciate you, but y'all know that I mean.
Speaker 1:But but y'all know Dan will. Y'all don't even give a fuck about getting awards.
Speaker 3:I mean, he just seemed like he was surprised as damn self when he received the award, because he might have said it Sometimes you probably just gotta be like Abra and I.
Speaker 2:For sure, I don't even want it. I don't even want it.
Speaker 1:But nobody is going to turn down.
Speaker 2:So I see who you think Atlanta who should have been there except TI. I'm just curious, 3,000. For sure I?
Speaker 1:mean y'all Kate for 3,000. He looks like somebody in Little Five Points.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what. I'm curious to know what I see. Because we love you, I don't have one.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't look at Atlanta from that lens and there's nobody from Atlanta who's really from Atlanta, yeah, but, they are?
Speaker 3:I really don't know, andre is from.
Speaker 1:Atlanta, yeah he is, you think, too much? Two chains, I don't know about two chains. He just seemed like a relaxed uncle, he's very athleisure, designer stuff. Yeah, he would just remind me of a relaxed uncle. Relaxed uncle, yeah.
Speaker 2:When we talk about women. The only person so, Tiana Taylor, lives here.
Speaker 1:But I don't know about her, but she's not from here, but she's not from here, but there is women.
Speaker 2:In terms of women, I have none. I ain't got nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we might have to go in the bank for this one. We'll pull this out on Instagram later, at a later date.
Speaker 3:All right listeners. Why don't you guys tell us who you think Atlanta fashion icon, woman and male, would be?
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you could pull some women out, because I feel like we talked a lot about the guys, that'd be a great she got to be from Atlanta.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Do you see that A transplant of our let's do front.
Speaker 2:At least live in Atlanta for 10.
Speaker 3:Sierra could be honorable mention, I won't give her icon.
Speaker 1:But Sierra has had some looks. She has.
Speaker 3:She's had some memorable moments, yeah.
Speaker 1:I could probably accept that.
Speaker 3:Russell.
Speaker 1:Wilson Sierra is a Greek.
Speaker 3:Well, oh, sierra, when she hit the scene she was definitely changing the trajectory of how we was dressing through those visuals. So I'm not mad at Sierra being one.
Speaker 1:Who styled her during those days? Do we know?
Speaker 3:Tamika Foster did, and so there was a why not have got damn awarded, why not?
Speaker 1:Tamika, that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 3:Because she did usher right, tamika was that. So she, she did Lauren Hill. Yeah, I didn't know those. Ok, so that's what was in itself.
Speaker 1:Those should be the people you're giving a fashion icon to Icon to she. She's worked.
Speaker 2:See.
Speaker 1:And that was a piff Like. That was an iconic look. Everybody remember Janelle for the black and white, the Carl. Lagerfeld inspired Lagerfield excuse me, inspired looks and it's like. Those are the people Like. Why are we looking to these celebrities? And Tamika Foster is has a big enough name Everybody knows she. Well, she was involved with Atlanta Fashion Week. Right, she spoke on a panel, but in terms of that award, no, she did not. She should have.
Speaker 2:She should have she had awarded.
Speaker 1:But she another thing tying back in Atlanta Fashion Week, in Tamika Foster did have a panel discussion and she spoke about how she styled Sierra for the my Goodies video with the little bikini situation. She talked about how she oh, we haven't talked about this yet the going out shirt for men is apparently coming back in style. But she is someone who we should credit for that whole era of men wearing button down, long sleeve button downs, with some jeans and some heart bottoms. Those are definitely the grown up.
Speaker 2:That's the church killer.
Speaker 1:That was the grown up looking college Like, if you really thought you was doing something, but Tamika style the change clothes video with Jay-Z.
Speaker 3:Oh, he's still very good at it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and she said that that was part of the thing that kind of changed the culture Men started taking off the throwback jerseys and the baggy jeans and they started to change clothes and go Cute. Shout out to Tamika.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Tamika.
Speaker 1:We appreciate you, shboo, and so, oh, my bad, I was just going to say, well, yeah, I was gonna let you because I was. I saw the antidote thing and I'm like speak to the people, speak to the fashion Entrepreneurs, the people who own the stores. Right, because even when poor little rich girl was where it was in downtown College Park, it did something. You know what I'm saying. Like, speak to owners, store owners, people who are styling, like those are fashion icons out here.
Speaker 1:And those are also the people who deserve the invite, in the seat at the table, to the conversation of Atlanta's Fashion culture but it doesn't go to those, but it doesn't go to those who are moving the needle, but it's just they don't have them in the followers of the morning.
Speaker 2:Amos is. She does go to Paris Fashion Week. She is invited learned it from another podcast that she travels With her assistant buyer or a buyer to Paris Fashion Week to pick out specifically those clothes that you see an antidote. She also has a lot of Network network and, you know, privileged. Yeah, let's just say what it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a lot of privilege that goes along with her. But I really like what she's doing because you know you can go to a Balenciaga store here in Atlanta and you they are literally buying the most basic Balenciaga shit that they can find on the runway. You go to antidote because Balenciaga is not a basic brand. It's not like going to a, but you can get a bodysuit at the Balenciaga store.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's gonna get whatever, 17 million times on the front and then you're gonna have the leggings, the match.
Speaker 2:But, you go to antidote, you gonna find the cloak. Yeah, you know I mean the Balenciaga bag that you might not have seen anywhere else except from that runway on that day.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean. So I think that they're very Intentional in making sure there is a market for those of us who care yeah.
Speaker 1:I think that speaks to the buyer. The buyer conversation about the, the department stores and the department stores, all by the same thing. You go to an even, you go to sex, you go to balloons, it's all gonna be the same thing, right, and the buyers are going based off of demand. They think this is what the market is. So I'm gonna shop based off of this demand. And antidote has put itself Aside from that conversation because they've been able to be like there isn't. We're not even servicing this other group of people that you don't have access to. I'm here. So if I'm here, I know somebody else is right, let me service those people, which is like you know, y'all get into it because that's really was gonna elevate. That says so. So, apart from even a Chicago, people don't think about Chicago. But if you go to Chicago, to the same stores north north shrooms, blue me sacks, the the buy is totally different and which are pulling from there is totally different.
Speaker 2:And you're like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, outside of antidote, is there any Other stores that you all feel like? I'm my year is one, yeah, social status there.
Speaker 3:They do pretty well, yeah for men I would. I would say for men and it and for like street wear you know, they're not really more like I'm a girl to high fashion, but they do speak really well to street wear.
Speaker 1:I do like vintage market heavy market.
Speaker 2:I can't mess it up y'all name. I say vintage heavy heavy market.
Speaker 1:Yes, and so I, I and I'm to piggyback off of heavy market that is owned by.
Speaker 3:Jason Jeter.
Speaker 1:Jason Jeter or co. Owned by Jason Jeter and Ryan, but Jason Jeter is another. Me. You know he was behind TI. He uses, you know, manager and all the things to me. Speaking to really, um, speaking to style icon he is definitely one, he's definitely done that like if you go into heavy market and see like the really cool things that they have in there.
Speaker 3:And it's a level of taste. Yeah, it's so pure. Yeah, and it's quality. And Jason has been speaking quality since day, what like? Since I've known her Even from when he did what was his other strivers rose which was like a nice was that more like yeah, when you?
Speaker 2:why you ain't correct me what wait?
Speaker 1:what that was that more his than ti strivers yeah, I thought that was a joint. Thing.
Speaker 3:I mean, I'm sure he probably put ti's name on it.
Speaker 1:That was.
Speaker 3:That's when I'm like it speaks to his entire aesthetic, and that's the thing like we gotta stop this Dick riding in Atlanta.
Speaker 1:And and it's you know like, but that's what the city has become. Yeah, yeah, I said people.
Speaker 3:Give more, give more props to cloud chasers and the people that's actually doing the work and that is what's annoying to me. Yeah it's like well, did you do that? I don't think so, but you claiming that you did, and it's like well, for what? And then it makes the ones who are actually creating not even fuck around out here or not even give you the props for doing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I said nothing about nobody.
Speaker 1:I mean, I mean, we don't know, we were there here and accept the award, jason sure didn't tell them to put that look together.
Speaker 2:I'm sure he.
Speaker 3:Justin ain't justin it man.
Speaker 1:Either way that shit is quality next level. They got some Japanese raw dinner me oh hey, I can only see that. And they had it.
Speaker 3:They had it before. It was even a thing like before because I had just Wanted there. I was gonna get a lord of t-shirt and I forget what's the brand that they carry. It's a white tee, super, super thick, quality, smiley face, three, three, smiley face. And then it's like ripped here with like red and blue Jesus was the name of. I'll circle back to the brand. Anyway, when I got to the roadster they told me how much it was. I'm not spending $400 on my son t-shirt, but we'll circle back now.
Speaker 2:But speaking to that, what you just said about the men and the raw denim at the heavy market in New York, I said that's when I was saying that Atlanta's men Fashion scene, there you even see there's so much on moral point to me. Yes, absolutely, you even see if you just perusing through sex off sets for that avenue and you go to the men's department and it'd be like 35 million men down there, just like going through the racks, I mean.
Speaker 3:I mean there would be a lot of men.
Speaker 2:Even Neiman Marcus has a bar downstairs in their men's.
Speaker 1:That goes to show you that the men are like Ladies they step your cookies up and get out. Who the clientele, be it be Gucci belt.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm pants not all the time. They're there every time I go in there lately.
Speaker 1:That's what it's been.
Speaker 2:I'm like mirror. I want us.
Speaker 1:I'm like and but the. What is interesting, though, is because that is the primary clientele in bucket and those you know, sacks and stuff like that. You even see a change. And the sales people, whereas maybe 15 years ago they would have been following you all around a store. If you look like that Now, they're like can I hold something before you give? Put this in a? You need to dress a room because they know that those guys, whether they're Entertainers, ball players or D boys, they are in there, you know, running, running up the tab.
Speaker 1:So when you go into Um Phipps or any of those places, and you go into them, the Fendi store or whatever, like it's a certain time of day that I feel like your corporate crowd, they know, like I'm gonna get there right when they open, I'm gonna go do my thing. Da, da, da want to hit about midday when they start getting up. Once they what, what they get up, the clientele, all of that changes, and it's just so interesting and me to see, you know, an old white salesperson who would normally have, like you know, caught security, because I oh my god, they're questionable people in here now like breaking their nets to Accommodate these people, because they know I'm about to get a good commission if I help rapper young Judy over here with With their. You know there are eight items that they're about to get. I like men, like Kings. Okay, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I will say I have to do some defending because I did start off in Neiman Marcus men's department years ago and those men white men that you see down there that work in like suits and furnishings, they have been there since I left.
Speaker 2:Yeah and they have never discriminated against those because they always knew. I mean, that's just the beauty, the beautiful thing about Atlanta. What you go to another city, maybe you know there's men following you. Go to Atlanta, the white sales people. Now, okay, that's dope boy, one and two over there. They gonna buy at the time the product or is political?
Speaker 3:is political money to? You know I'm saying like because but I mean, atlanta has a long history of well-off blacks, so it's not something foreign to them to know like, oh, a black person can come in here with money.
Speaker 1:Or there's got it.
Speaker 2:There is loud or quiet, they're probably used to it, man with the loud marijuana smelling perfume, then they still are like Money green.
Speaker 1:That's southern hospitality, and you gonna ask and you gonna need the help and I'm gonna give me the help and you Spend these thousands of thousands. I was keep treating these black men like Queen Kings, but they're not Queens Kings down there in the department stores. They deserve it. I Didn't say queen. Maybe you want to be Queens, but you know, however they choose me, they are royalty. Treat them as such. Yeah, I didn't want to plug Elle Danielle 12, one of our listeners, who actually brought about this conversation by asking us.
Speaker 1:Thank you about the TI fashion icon or where she brought that to her attention. So we really appreciate that girl. We appreciate your listens.
Speaker 2:It was a unanimous hell.
Speaker 3:No it was a unanimous hell no the brand I was speaking about was capital.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, capital with a.
Speaker 3:K.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, super cute yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's wrap this up.
Speaker 1:So I Want to say I shout out to Elle Danielle 12 for inspiring this conversation today. If anybody else has any follow-ups and any questions, comments concerns, reach out to us at we a podcast on Instagram. Also, we now have a tick tock, so we ate on tick tock and we a podcast on all podcast platforms. Feel free to reach out to us. Winter, you know, put a charge out to Let us know who is your Atlantic fashion icon, female or male. We would love to see how that goes and we'll interact with you in the message.
Speaker 2:I really want to hear y'all female choices yeah yeah, let's see who it is.
Speaker 1:Let's see who we're talking about. Girl, by all right, tom go.
Speaker 2:She joking, gotta go. No, maybe you know she.
Speaker 1:We gotta go. This was great. I will highlight y'all next week. Bye you.