On this episode get a more in-depth introduction to the ladies of we ate podcast. With a shared background in costume design, Personal styling, and marketing, we fuse our industry insights and personal experiences to shed light on these lesser-known facets of the fashion world. Ever wondered what happens to stolen fashion collections? As your guides through the world of fashion, film, and television, we tackle this intriguing topic—unraveling the mystery of the stolen Balmain collection.
We probe into the curious case of a shoe burglar and the fascinating history of the 15th century Japanese Tabi shoe. We discuss the evolution of this ancient design into a modern-day fashion statement. In a twist of traditional norms, we also delve into the growing trend gender bending in fashion.
Expect lively debates, interesting revelations, and a whole lot of humor as we navigate through these topics. So buckle up and prepare for an enlightening journey through the captivating realm of fashion, film, and television.
Like, subscribe and be on the look out for a new episode every week!
Credit and special thanks goes to:
Produced by: Aziza Duniani @woman_Business
Music supervisor: Chic loren @chicloren_
Music by: Gavin Williams @thegavin1
On this episode get a more in-depth introduction to the ladies of we ate podcast. With a shared background in costume design, Personal styling, and marketing, we fuse our industry insights and personal experiences to shed light on these lesser-known facets of the fashion world. Ever wondered what happens to stolen fashion collections? As your guides through the world of fashion, film, and television, we tackle this intriguing topic—unraveling the mystery of the stolen Balmain collection.
We probe into the curious case of a shoe burglar and the fascinating history of the 15th century Japanese Tabi shoe. We discuss the evolution of this ancient design into a modern-day fashion statement. In a twist of traditional norms, we also delve into the growing trend gender bending in fashion.
Expect lively debates, interesting revelations, and a whole lot of humor as we navigate through these topics. So buckle up and prepare for an enlightening journey through the captivating realm of fashion, film, and television.
Like, subscribe and be on the look out for a new episode every week!
Credit and special thanks goes to:
Produced by: Aziza Duniani @woman_Business
Music supervisor: Chic loren @chicloren_
Music by: Gavin Williams @thegavin1
What's up y'all? This is Sheik Loren, and welcome to We8. We're spilling a tea on all things fashion, film and television, giving you an exclusive peek into our perspective on style and design. I am what do you call? The costume support team. You know I have an eye for style so sometimes I might create looks for people on sets. From time to time I help manage the office, making sure that the budget is running smoothly Within different commercials, tv shows and movies. Some of the productions that I've worked on create two and create three, avengers Endgame, and outside of that I also work in the social media space, the event space and also music. I'm a lover of music, songwriter and singer. So hey y'all, hello.
Speaker 1:Someness say I am Mia Nunnally, costume designer for film and TV. I started off in commercial space and commercial world. I started off in videos For costume design. I was a store owner along with Winter Alley. We own Poor Little Rich Girl, both number one and two vintage and then we moved on to other endeavors. If I go on, I have worked with AMC as a costume designer for Tales of the Walking Dead. I worked for Pyramid Plus. I was costume designer of the game. I worked with numerous of Lifetime television.
Speaker 1:My first start was BT Hip Hop Tales, which was an anthology series of hip hop. Okay, here you go. Hi, I'm Isi Chevelle. I am a sometime costume designer, sometime assistant costume designer. I've been in the industry since 2012,. So 11 years now. Notable projects that I've worked on, let's see. I've worked with Ruth Carter a few times on Coming to America, also on Selma. I've worked numerous times with Francine Jameson and Tanchuk as the ACD for the Cloned Tyrone, as well as the ACD for the new color purple, which comes out Christmas Day. And outside of this industry, my last corporate job was actually working with Nilsson dealing with the TV ratings. On the side, or my side, hustles include event production and just being a professional dot connector aka consultant of all the things. And that's who I am, hi.
Speaker 2:I'm Winter Alex. I am a designer. I focus in costume, interiors and personal styling. I own a company called the Manor Co. We've worked with such companies as Breakfast at Barney's Just Brunch. I work with tons of brands Foot Locker, brown, royal Essence, bet, just to name a few. I've also done a few movies and yeah, that's who I am.
Speaker 1:My name is Isi Chevelle Dunyani. I am assistant costume designer and film and television. My artistic medium, I guess you can say, is all things I've started to get into modeling a little bit more personal styling now that we are on a strike For film and television. I worked in digital media as a digital strategist. I am also a DJ coordinator talent coordinator during festival season. That's kind of my fun to do. I like to stay busy in production.
Speaker 1:I also produce this podcast, so I do the editing and so forth. I also am the CEO of Women Building Wealth Collective, a collective of women who kind of get together and try to share the wealth, financial literacy and generational wealth amongst women. So these are the things that I do. I am all of them.
Speaker 1:We are saying these things so that you know who we are, hear our voices, understand the positions in which we're coming from when we have some of these commentary on a lot of the social things that we're seeing in the social landscape today, specifically fashion, design, television. We have a lot of opinions, of course, but they are coming from a level of. This is where we live, this is where we work, this is where we mode in the medium in which we spend a lot of our time. So that is the position that we've been taking To get us started with this episode. That is an old name for our podcast before we got to E8. It was pulling the line, but we are going to be talking over the line today, which is our segment about filming television. We got some stuff coming out on the TVs, yes.
Speaker 2:Filming out on the TVs. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:We're specifically talking about the ones that the most important part of our industry that we have coming out is the Danielle Luna's documentary on HBO and that then artisans movie documentary on it's coming out in film. It's actually out now. It's out now, but it's not in Atlanta for some reason which is not even at the little cute movie theater in town. It's on arts.
Speaker 2:It's not there.
Speaker 1:Danielle Luna is on HBO. Mads Bethanne Hardison is in the theaters and it's called boom there you go Invisible beauty, invisible beauty, yeah. So we are very much looking forward to seeing that. I think we should all go as a group and do some homework. We should, yeah.
Speaker 2:She's a matriarch in the fashion world. My dad actually worked with her. She was the one who founded my father when he worked in like GQ and all these magazines in the 80s. Wow.
Speaker 1:And that's a good thing, right? Yeah, she's that girl. Yeah, she is. She is that girl.
Speaker 2:When my dad used to do like fashion shows back home. Her and Kadee would come out and most people like didn't know who she was, but they recognized Kadee from like different worlds though. So it was kind of cool.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, yeah, yeah it is Just so y'all know the cultural reference of Bethanne Hardison if you don't already know. She has been like a champion for diversity in the fashion world, for black models, models of color. Her and Iman actually started the Don't Get Me Wrong the.
Speaker 2:Black Coalition.
Speaker 1:Yup, the Black Girls Coalition, her, along with the editor-in-chief of Vogue Italian 2008,. They put out the Vogue All Black Issue with, you know, all Black Models, which is fantastic, and she still runs the Bethanne Management, which is, like you know, first of us, kind of held by a black woman. So, you know, if you're in that world and you're a black girl which is you know or if you're just interested in a novice, like you know, this is somebody that you should know because she was putting the needle forward for decades, decades, decades.
Speaker 1:She got a lot of information, lots of information. And influence and influence.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I saw the editor-in-chief now at Vogue is Chama Nandi.
Speaker 2:I saw you saw that, okay yeah no-transcript.
Speaker 1:Editing shoes for like fashion magazines and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:This is really dope. Could host to you, mia for posting more. Proud of you. Let me tell you she be posted on We8. She's talking about on our myth art on my personal page but this is on We8. Yeah, I think so, but also both.
Speaker 1:Yes, she was over here hitting them with three times. I seen Mia posted with three different angles and was like oh Wednesday came out the pocket baby no. Yes, so you all know, mia is an introverted social media girl, yes, so you ain't gonna see her.
Speaker 2:No, but you see her art and her thoughts? You will.
Speaker 1:But now we're so proud she is posting and sharing the things in her beautiful mind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very difficult to do.
Speaker 1:And then just last tidbit for over the line. So, Donnie, I'm not enough for those who don't know, We've seen her and a lot of people's introduction to her was in Daia's Essence Cover, styled by Laura Roach, when she had the beautiful black and white with the hands and the 80s and the things. Yeah, so that should be.
Speaker 2:that's actually already out 60s, 60s, I feel mad 60s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can find that in HBL.
Speaker 2:Max, I believe it's a series.
Speaker 1:It's not a movie. I think it's a documentary I think it's a doc, but I think it's like episodes.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't try to click on it last time, Okay that's good.
Speaker 1:We get to take a good journey. I was introduced to her by Winter and Mia when they had the vintage store. Poor Little Rich Girl years ago, and so I began to learn more about her history as a black model one of the first black models.
Speaker 2:That's so crazy. Yeah, she was on our tags.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was on our tags, y'all had different icons on the tags, and she was one of them.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's cute, that's beautiful.
Speaker 1:Come on.
Speaker 2:Yep Giving a kiss.
Speaker 1:she listens, so I'm looking forward to learning more about her, because she was always intriguing that girl you gotta look for the wait. What's this saying?
Speaker 2:You gotta look to the past to the future, to another future, something like that. We love to see it. No one came for us, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I misspoke. It is not a series, it's a film. It is a film, okay. Documentary 90 Minutes.
Speaker 2:Yep, oh my.
Speaker 1:God, nice Coffee is horrible. Okay so, but this is my coffee from home.
Speaker 2:So I'm judging myself. I'm judging myself.
Speaker 1:What's this blue drink? I don't know. I tried to be adventurous Because you know I ain't earthy. It's some blue pea, flower pea, a lot to it it has a taste, it's gonna be a matcha, ain't it? It tastes like somebody already swishing around in their mouth. Oh, oh well, they ain't. I thought y'all wanted to know.
Speaker 2:I mean I was curious, but it's not this that was like a toddler.
Speaker 1:Because you know how the toddler water looks gritty.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's gritty at the bottom. Little pieces of the food, mac-wash it. Yeah, like that one. Yeah, okay, on to the next. On to the next.
Speaker 1:Okay, so top of our, I guess what's trending in fashion right now, I don't want to say what's trending top of the news articles right now is Balmain lost 50 of its items. Not lost, they were stolen. They were stolen. They were stolen from their cart, from delivery from the airport, I believe, to the Balmain headquarters.
Speaker 2:Allegedly.
Speaker 1:Allegedly they were hijacked.
Speaker 2:But he's gonna work throughout the night for the next three days to put the collection back together. And then also Just say you need more time. You need more time. Just say you need more time, doesn't it's okay? You think that's what I wanted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just say you need more time. I'm legit, it's so light, something it's so light. What's my man? Just Just my life.
Speaker 2:Juicy smoky eyes.
Speaker 1:They kind of look like they could be cut. It's given.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they do. They are not the war, they are the war. The war is the stuff going on in this thing. The coral, they are different. Yeah, well, I'm a beardedness.
Speaker 1:The only thing to me that's interesting, that raises a little flag in my head for this story, is not like whether or not it's true, it's more so. What is someone gonna be able to do with this collection now that they've stolen it? Like Exactly, if you put it out, if I was Olivia, I'd be like I don't know what that is. That's not my mom, that's not even the missing collection. I didn't do that Like you know what I'm saying. Like you're gonna sell it on the black market to like some housewife who's like a collector of all things. I just I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm kidding, I mean if it really. Well, people do that though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, though, like think about it, if you, if this is like truly the case right that this was stolen. You have the exclusive Balmain collection. You have the exclusive, an exclusive Balmain piece that no one ever got to see because it was stolen like this. But I guess if you buy it they won't fish you. You can't really tell anybody if it was stolen.
Speaker 1:Well, if it's a one on one then you're going because I was under impression that he not just reproduced the same design, so he created a whole new collection. There should be a tech pack that he's probably just gonna go back and recreate what's on the tech pack.
Speaker 2:But what are you gonna do? Change the fabrication? Probably Right.
Speaker 1:But it's probably. He probably didn't even do that. If it really was like a ruse or like a stunt that he was pulling, he just if that really was a stunt.
Speaker 2:He don't have to do anything because no one knows what it is. Anyway, he just needed more time. I mean, his looks have been stale.
Speaker 1:I dare to say oh okay, I think his looks have been stale and I feel like he got to go back to the drawing board and he needs a. He needs a whoo and that's what he's given right now Is that why do you think he did the collab with Beyonce?
Speaker 2:Did it show the artist? Was that for sale or for visual? It was just for visual.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think it was for sale. Okay, that's fair. But yeah, it was visual. I think his looks are stale and I think he needs something to get back. You know he's of that generation. You need to get back relevant again. Okay, Well, I mean it's a stunt, it could be. I mean, like I said, I don't know, it could end up in somebody's. This missing collection could end up on the black market and then in somebody's closet and they are showing it off like art to your point. I see we have like a Ashley.
Speaker 1:Scott who collects Mugler pieces, vintage Mugler pieces that have never been. She's a sister, you know what I'm saying. She has a fantastic collection of like vintage Mugler.
Speaker 1:So, I think there is a space where somebody would be like I want to pay millions of dollars so I can show my friends at a cocktail party that have the missing Beaumont collection. Yeah, yeah, is that that valuable? Like I mean, because you can never. Because then, if you say so, if you purchase stolen art, if you got a van, go a Da Vinci or whatever you can't, people are looking for that. You can never show or disclose it. That's something you got to kind of like, put in the attic, let the grandkids know statue of limitations in the war. Out, we're going to sell it to this museum and come up.
Speaker 1:You got that's good enough for me, yeah. I know, but I'm saying, like with a collection of, if it truly is a one on one and it's a clothing item, who is going to run the risk of Treating that as if it's like fine art? You know, when they can't show it, there's plenty of drug dealer, mafia men.
Speaker 2:Why is it like that Multi-billionaires In your house and I see is the stolen.
Speaker 1:Collect downtown or millionaires who have like private parties and functions like they're gonna share that amongst each other. They.
Speaker 2:For us regular consumers be a part of if you're purchasing it from the black market.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you're a black market purchaser, you know I'm saying you. You got other issues to worry about, not this missing. We are coming. I mean, I don't think it's true, and just like we do in all the other black communities, when we just they just telling our business, what are we gonna do? We just gonna turn our head and it never happens. Okay, we for you, olivier. Yeah, sure, yeah, just like we did with Jesse, mm-hmm, just you see Lesson.
Speaker 1:I mean favorite, for fashion is hot these days. They got men sleeping with women is stealing their shoes. It's wild, because what are you fun to do with these? You gonna give them to your girl.
Speaker 2:That's what he did. That's why okay, he screwed someone, took her shoes and gave them to another.
Speaker 1:No, no, we don't know what he did with them, but somebody deemed her. That's how she got him back. Oh, she got him. So the story was or something. She was I think she either found him or saw Saw the shoes on the girl like she was like, oh, my boyfriend gave me these shoes and so she's was like, oh no, because she was trying to find him. Yeah, he deleted his, his profile something crazy like she put him on black, she put him everywhere.
Speaker 1:So she found him and then saw, like you know how we do, is women we on, we on the we Right. She put a friend like I see on and and God was they got with what was needed. Yeah and yeah, so she, she basically put him on blasts and you know Picture out there. Yeah, he ended up a lot of women called in a lot of women said oh, I know him, he got me, he got me.
Speaker 2:Is that not what I said?
Speaker 1:that he stole from them. It was just like he got here cheating on his girl.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Cuz he on tinder. So was he stealing other shoes? Or was it just specifically tabby's from every woman? Or was it just designer shoes like Well?
Speaker 2:I think he was a shoe burglar.
Speaker 1:No, he is a shoe burglar. If you fuck me and then take my shoes and you a whole man. I don't give a damn, you are a shoe burglar. I thought If you lie, you cheat. If you cheat, you still you kill. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but no. When I went, when the part one of the story, I thought when he initially took a, maybe he was selling these shoes, he was doing something to give him to some other.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Making money. You just over here passing around for clout purposes Solid Yo. I. May be, maybe he, probably maybe he investigates that while he's on these dates like that's well the tabby is a very is a.
Speaker 1:It's has been a very commodity shoe. It has been. It's a hot commodity shoe. But most people don't know that the cat the tabby is has been here since the 15th century in Japan and it started off as a sock and what happened was with the sock you know those shoes, I feel like what is called with the toes on the shoes at the Japanese wear, and a lot of them could. It was an upperclassman Sock because they didn't have cotton back then in 15th century. So they was trading with China and then they decided to put a soul on it and they called it a Jackie Tabby. This is I don't speak Japanese, so could be Dash tabby T.
Speaker 2:So my Jackie tabby, yep, jackie tabby.
Speaker 1:And so Margella did not invent the tabby, he just used, researched it and recreated it. And so they thought that what happened with the tabby it what happens with the tabby. The Japanese believe that those that split toe is a reflect Sology Tactics. Basically, it promotes balance. So if you're on tabbies I love my tabbies you notice that you feel a lot more balanced and surfaced when you put your tabby on. So it allows you to like, not pronate or it allows you to pronate, yeah so it allows a certain you know stagnation when you're standing.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so 1988.
Speaker 1:I think it was 1988 when Martin Margella put the tabby on the runway or galley on.
Speaker 2:It might have been galley on them.
Speaker 1:Okay, what color do you know? I don't know. Back at photos. I think, I don't Instagram. I feel like I read that Margella was the first to Like to add a little more spice. So to do the boot with the florals on the side, or to you know name saying, to make it To have us the with the lace hard bottoms to do a little. Spass it up.
Speaker 2:For the fashion girls. Yeah, yeah, love that, margella, and who was this other?
Speaker 1:was it um Galeano? I think was one of the designers. Job galeano, who also put it for Margella, oh for Margella. Yeah who put it on the map.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's a thing.
Speaker 1:I mean, maybe you know what was what? Mm-hmm, the IE, why you should have sold them looks instead of giving. There are there's very few things, because things are happening so quickly in fashion and everything. That's why they're stealing the shit. That's why you see all this like they put the Samba out and all everyone. Now the summers went from $50 to $150 and they're like they're just it's a nice shoe, but like it's been.
Speaker 2:Girls wearing them in fashion is the thing now, mm-hmm. And Gucci did their collab, yeah, and that also helped. And now, well, barna got her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I love, I like her and now I'm. That crown.
Speaker 2:The crowns are cute, you saw.
Speaker 1:Rihanna is doing like a similar silhouette. For what is it, adida, puma, puma, puma, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Oh, because her son has them on Mm-hmm. Oh, ok, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Puma is her. Becky Broke you a step.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:So I mean Tell me what like hoves to me, so I'm unpopular opinion for those of you who are listening. I'm not trying to walk around looking like a sexy centaur. I am not here for-. I don't pronate co-nate nomate. I don't even know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Broke you a ice spice for our burial Ice? I'm a spice Could she go spicy.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying.
Speaker 2:I look like a sexy centaur, sexy centaur. Oh, you know, I'm a centaur Are you a arse?
Speaker 1:I am, I'm a sag.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a mean. Yes, I should give you some chas this back. Yes, I should the tabbies are for me.
Speaker 1:Yes, a storyline we actually um worked with Winter this past weekend. We worked on a commercial shoot and pulled out some tabbies we did.
Speaker 2:We put one of the girls, one of our OCPs, in a pair.
Speaker 1:They're an open toe and tell them what an OCP is. Yeah, nobody tells that it's an OCP.
Speaker 2:OCP is an on-camera principle in commercial world. Ok, yeah, so that's like main talent. And you said these tabbies were open toe, so they were the half closed, half open and they had a thick heel right, yeah, they had an ankle strap with a leather facing over the foot, and then it was an open toe, and then the sole had the single toe and then the rest of the foot. Yeah, I can draw a picture. Let's see a picture. They were cute.
Speaker 1:Instagram. They were cute.
Speaker 2:I was like I like this Send that put it in our own share notes.
Speaker 1:And then she had on this wide leg pant. It hit.
Speaker 2:It looked good. Yeah, we want to see pictures.
Speaker 1:Love a tabby moment. So now I'm curious. Well, I ain't really that curious. I'm pretty sure he had on some pearls when he found her on Instagram.
Speaker 2:Or on Tinder the tabby boy. The tabby boy, tabby bandit, tabby bandit. Oh, he liked the girl Pearls Please. I mean so that just brings up the conversation Pearls for the girls or the boys?
Speaker 1:Yes, or the boys, which one are they for? Or also, does it change whether or not Amanda's wearing custom jewelry pearls versus the real thing? I think it is, because don't be walking around in your hands t-shirt, and I've seen it, I just saw it.
Speaker 2:Wait, so you're saying it should be real pearls.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like if you're going to wear, don't wear a costume jewelry. Women can do the cheap, cheap sometimes and elevate it. If you're a dude, it just looks like you're missing a lot. Oh no, y'all can't be double standard in the middle, so yes, I can, yes, I can.
Speaker 1:We get double standards all the damn time. But I will say like, if they can pull it off and they've got a good pearl and you can't tell and they've got style, then maybe I'm not a fan of the pearls and I need to see like a real life. Show me a great moment. There's a side block.
Speaker 2:He does a lot, a local stylish man in the area, sim. He does pearls and he does it nice. He puts them underneath, his like guy. Who do you tell me he was wearing a?
Speaker 1:pretty Ever do pearls Todd Patrick or somebody he has no Snyder. Who is Todd Snyder? Todd Snyder.
Speaker 2:So he had on like this short sleeved button down Todd Snyder shirt and underneath he gets subtly.
Speaker 1:See, you're talking about Todd Patrick, though. Todd Patrick, you're talking about Todd Patrick.
Speaker 2:Oh, not Todd, it's a Snyder, he said something. Snyder, who is the designer?
Speaker 1:Oh okay, snyder then Because there's the Todd, patrick and Bucket and Codette Right, but then the Snyder guy his shop is right by it's like in West Marietta. Todd Snyder is the thing? Is that a yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what he had on.
Speaker 2:So he had it on and he had his pearls tucked and I was like, oh, good job Nice note Nice touch it wasn't overwhelming, it wasn't like eager face, but it was just a little light.
Speaker 1:Gentile, I believe it can be done. You just gotta be the right type of person and how they do it. Because I want to see it more masculine, or on a more masculine man.
Speaker 2:Yeah and not yes, and I think that's why it was okay, because Sim is definitely a masculine man.
Speaker 1:I think I mean I'm a little bit biased because I'm more of a like. I don't necessarily like stones on men. Even crystals and stuff. Crystal, I like hard metals. You know what I'm saying. It's like very masculine to me. So even sometimes diamonds could look a little effeminate to me and I'm like, hmm, I like a good gold chain tucked in.
Speaker 2:Yup, that's the logo. Maybe shit right there. That's it, it's J tucking in. And metal.
Speaker 1:We don't even know, goddamn pearls. So I was the one who originally brought this up, because I actually am and I want to have a larger discussion about the gender role. Reversal of what y'all like me on something. Yeah, yeah, it was the one. Yeah, because y'all are the way.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying takeover, takeover. Like you got it. I don't like it.
Speaker 1:But I wanted to set it up for the other part of this because it's not just pearls, okay, we don't have to edit all that. No, we're not, you keep it no, thank you.
Speaker 1:Chad. So pearls have been seen on people like Drake, travis, scott, pharrell was an early adopter of it, and then you got Shawn Mendes and you know some of the others that frequently to Harry Styles, all those things. And it leads to a bigger question of just like traditionally feminine accessories and clothing now being thrusted on masculine men these aren't necessarily men who are feminine at all. So like what is the line of like the gender bending and clothing? And like men wearing capes and men wearing pearls and men wearing fingernail polish. Like you see, a lot of athletes that you know wear fingernail polish. Is that Rocky wears fingernail polish? We just saw offset at the VMAs with like hair clips in his hair and different things like that. So it's just kind of like, are y'all? Obviously y'all not here for it, but my father-in-law had some on his toes.
Speaker 1:I think, for me, because of the household I was raised in.
Speaker 1:I'm very the nuance of like cultural reference to certain items of clothing, like a kilt, or say, like your mass eye with your body wrapping. If you're doing something that is like an homage to or a nod to that. There's a slight differentiation between that and being like super feminine, like my dad. On a Saturday he'll put a lop on which is like a large piece of fabric that you wrap around yourself with no shirt and get outside with his glass of wine, his cigar and mohgalon you know what I'm saying. And it looks nothing feminine, right, but it's technically a skirt, right. And then my brother on the other side of it, who is a gay male, will also wear the same lopper with the shoe, but he'll just have his leg out a little bit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying, but it will still look, because it is you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Because it's still a nod to that cultural reference and he was raised in it and we were kind of raised in it. I see it a little bit differently than a guy in a pencil skirt, you know what I'm saying. Or a dude in a maxi dress, or you know what I'm saying. I don't and granted, I'm taking it very far there, yeah, but I'm just saying there's a certain tone. So, like a kilt, the guys with the shorts, with the half pleated skirt on the side, I kind of like, because I'm like, okay, this is kind of like a nod to a kilt and then how you're styling it goes into it. But I think that's kind of my position on it. If it's too, I would wear it, hop in it and be like, feel like a sexy bad bitch. I don't feel like I want to see my dude especially somebody that I am going to be like sexually attracted to, or you know what I'm saying have that kind of tie Like you're not in my world.
Speaker 1:That's fine. Do what you do, and I think that's the major difference. Now if I am my, yeah, my man, my man, my man, no, no, no, no. But, like you know, just you know, our videographer over here If he has his toes and nails painted he shook his head, no so hard. I would say more like I would be like cool, you know, I don't I think it's just depends on the man Like that's not what I am attracted to personally, but I can respect you and be like, oh, that looks good on you.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:My father-in-law I sent you that picture of Windsor had his toes painted. He's a 73 year old black militant man.
Speaker 2:Really that's red, red. Yep, that's right, that's right. Yeah, outside would like boomerang. Yeah, you, yeah.
Speaker 1:I tried, but the thing is, my six year old son was there and so I didn't want too much of explanation. I said, wait a minute, let me get my mind together first, before I have to explain to my six year old son why his grandfather's toenails are painted red. So, but my mother-in-law was like whatever, we've been married for 53 years, I give a shit, yeah, but like, I think, for me, I think that's the major difference. Now, if we're asking would you date somebody or be essentially active with a man with painted nails? Nah, but would I see somebody else, like a ASAP Rocky? Nah, but you know, if I met ASAP and his nails are painted and we got to know each other then it makes sense.
Speaker 1:So it's just all depends. Like this. It's a lot of fluidity.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a lot of fluidity. I think it's just a lot of things. Yeah, that you know, and it's more so for, I would say, maybe the younger demographic than what.
Speaker 1:so us I mean, but not so much because what I attributed to is like rock star lifestyle. When you think of dude looks like a lady. I love Steven Tyler, so I'm a big Aerosmith fan. All of those guys, even, like you know, black rock stars, like the Lenny Kravitz, all of them that was kind of always their vibe. They wore earrings that weren't studs, they wore hoops, they wore dangly things, they wore pearls, they wore you know, dye their hair and put pink and purple and straight in it.
Speaker 2:Well, dennis Robman, they painted their nails.
Speaker 1:So I think it's like if that's your body.
Speaker 2:yeah, so it's been around for a long time and these are still like heterosexual men Legitly.
Speaker 1:We don't know that allegedly heterosexual presenting men. Is that presenting. If you're wearing a dress, yes, what you wearing, don't know, but you're saying sexuality. You said heterosexual men. She said we're just assuming that that's the case. And then you said presenting, and I'm like, well, if you're wearing the things, is that presenting?
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're still presenting masculine to me. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I ain't never looked at.
Speaker 1:Lenny Kravitz I was like he sure do have this flowy skirt on over these pants, but he look like a chick.
Speaker 2:I've looked at it like a man. He still looks like a little sweet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or fluid, definitely bisexual.
Speaker 2:Okay, I just thought like this is rock and also, and it's also the difference between like the rock stars of the day, who are actually like rock stars.
Speaker 1:I'm doing the drug, the bitches, we having the time versus, like you know, I'm saying shoot them up in the club, fuck your bitch. And then I got also. I'm taking her nail, I'm wearing nail nail polish.
Speaker 2:That is a little confusing.
Speaker 1:It's a little. It's different because the culture was around like the rock star lifestyle. Yachty boy, he does a rap like that. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:I'm not wearing a guy, but he wears it too.
Speaker 1:Mm, hmm, what's the he has his own line of now.
Speaker 2:Oh, the other one. He's bisexual as well.
Speaker 1:Tyler.
Speaker 2:Tyler, create a new makes me like they're all in that same little genre.
Speaker 1:And they still to me feel and maybe this is the thing they feel rock star to me, right. But then we have the like I'm kind of moving to the other side of the spectrum of those like super masculine, whatever macho kind of guys that are like replicating this other image from these rock star dudes who is like this is their life. So like it's like a cent was the like pop out in pearls yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean like what?
Speaker 1:But it would make sense for Jay Z to me what.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and how it's definitely have to be styled. It would be. I would see Jay Z with pearl.
Speaker 1:He's kind of in that space. Like him and Pharrell, they can kind of do just about whatever, I would say just about how to shoot, because they've gotten. They've just gotten to that point where, like, they can experiment, play with different things, style wise, like they there?
Speaker 2:those kind of I don't think they're going to go to. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It would be like I have red nails. No, never. Yeah, yeah, pinkie.
Speaker 2:No, no, for real, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about Jay Z. I'm not here for it. We're not here for them.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm here for I love it.
Speaker 1:When I saw Harry Styles in those pearls couple of years ago those Gucci campaigns I was like, oh he looks so good, but then that's not my man, yeah.
Speaker 2:There's a difference. Like I like it Art Even yeah. Visually I think it looks great. I'm going to appreciate it for the art, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like Alton Mason is as an Alton Mason.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he's like oh, my God he could put anything on and.
Speaker 1:I'm like yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful and it's a fun to look at. Like art, he looks like art, and I think, too is one of those things like if you meet a man that already has that style and he just works it and you end up fucking with him, then that's different. But, Do you got the BDE or no? I think y'all took the original question it was not about like is you attracted to that? It's like do we like it as a trend?
Speaker 2:I do we kind of have to Okay so I think it would do it.
Speaker 1:I just want to record stay, Chris ain't walking around.
Speaker 2:Although he do be like I'm going.
Speaker 1:I gotta go get my man to Petty Cause we going to the BDE.
Speaker 2:She's not so cute.
Speaker 1:that's so cute, yeah it was some clear polish, but I just wanted to say the original. The original thought that I had was like do we like it as like a trend or a vibe that men can they do it without us in toxic femininity, I think is what I call it, without us looking at it as like what you doing over there with?
Speaker 2:that that's a hard.
Speaker 1:yes, for me, and I think we have. This has been going on for years, 1970s. You had the men my mother always said my dad she kind of questioned cause he had a purse. This ain't no new shit. These men wearing these little tight as bell bonos with the heels this ain't new. I think it's just something.
Speaker 2:The platforms and platforms, the groups in the 70s and 60s.
Speaker 1:I mean the man from Earth. He's gonna fight with the purse Burdying his steel hair better than mine and been married for 45 years, I'm sure to his wife.
Speaker 2:I am sure his wife has seen some things.
Speaker 1:How do y'all feel about the satchel? So Chris has a satchel. He calls it a satchel. It's a m mers, it's a satchel, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's just for like is it a crossbody? Is it a crossbody? What's he putting in?
Speaker 1:So he puts in at his portable charger. He puts in at, like pack of gum, his wallet so it doesn't have to be in his pocket and be all bulky Cell phone.
Speaker 2:he put my stuff in it cause I'm like I ain't carrying a purse, so you got your mers, burd his lip gloss and his beanie and you end up in there. Anybody, anybody, anybody. Yeah, you're supposed to be the one holding all the things.
Speaker 1:And then it just kind of like it's a nice leather one. I picked it out. I picked it out not knowing if he was gone.
Speaker 2:You know, you got me going. I was like look he said practicality, thank you, my girl. I explained to him the practicality and he lost the whole.
Speaker 1:Like that man is gay, he might let that go. He was like I kind of like this, Like I can put everything in.
Speaker 2:He feels like it's all free.
Speaker 1:He's off the side. His hands are free now.
Speaker 2:It comes across, it comes across and you know lacoste makes some Gucci.
Speaker 1:Everybody make them now. So you know that's your thing, that you needed to have like a certain brand or monogram or whatever on there to like harden it, masculine it up or whatever. But yeah, it's nice and I like it and I think that you know more men should look in that direction of a versus playing the men.
Speaker 2:I've seen they either have like that pecs or like computer bags. Your computer bag, yeah, I understand, can't walk on a belt line with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sometimes I don't work.
Speaker 2:You got a festival. Oh, I love when he having at the festival or something.
Speaker 1:He probably got some illicit stuff in there. He put everything in it. First of all. It sounds like I see you said I like my man to have a bag so I don't have to have one, so I'll get you a nice masculine bag, a good cross body with the bag on the back, kind of like a backpack, but it's not really a bag.
Speaker 2:The fanny pack, yeah, but it's on a bag. They're like African thing, Like you thought of them. Show them the things. Oh, you like the North Fag. He talks about that book bag with an actual handle and it go like no.
Speaker 1:He said that he wants to know she can say we miss in a mark.
Speaker 2:No, it's like a.
Speaker 1:North Face. You know, it does kind of look like it could be a fanny pack, but it's not. It's literally meant to go all the way.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's like small the top and the bottom.
Speaker 1:I know what you're talking about. Okay, yeah, it's a thing. It ain't really a bag. I'm a nurse. So you know a bag for a man. I mean, it sounds like the takeaway is. You know, if you can do it, you can do it. If you can't, you can't. In the words of what's her name? Jill Scott. If you can tell me what to do, you can tell me what to do, but if you can't tell me what to do, you can't tell me what to do.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And you just gotta have BDE and you can pull anything off.
Speaker 2:How about that yeah?
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