Ever wondered why celebrities go for the provocative over the practical? What’s the secret behind turning a Flintstone-inspired gown into a fashion statement? Prepare to have your fashion curiosity satiated as we embark on a journey, exploring the glitz and glamour of celebrity style at the MTV Music Awards.
We reveal how the relationship between a celebrity and their stylist can shape public perception of who is the" it girl", and how brands are capitalizing on this celebrity culture. Also we are spotlight fashion professionals like Gabriella Careffa Johnson, who are making waves behind the scenes. It’s a fashion-packed episode with a blend of celebrity culture, sartorial discussions, and industry insights you won't want to miss.
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Produced by: Aziza Duniani @woman_Business
Music supervisor: Chic loren @chicloren_
Music by: Gavin Williams @thegavin1
Ever wondered why celebrities go for the provocative over the practical? What’s the secret behind turning a Flintstone-inspired gown into a fashion statement? Prepare to have your fashion curiosity satiated as we embark on a journey, exploring the glitz and glamour of celebrity style at the MTV Music Awards.
We reveal how the relationship between a celebrity and their stylist can shape public perception of who is the" it girl", and how brands are capitalizing on this celebrity culture. Also we are spotlight fashion professionals like Gabriella Careffa Johnson, who are making waves behind the scenes. It’s a fashion-packed episode with a blend of celebrity culture, sartorial discussions, and industry insights you won't want to miss.
Like, subscribe and be on the look out for a new episode every week!
Credit and special thanks goes to:
Produced by: Aziza Duniani @woman_Business
Music supervisor: Chic loren @chicloren_
Music by: Gavin Williams @thegavin1
What's up y'all? This is Sheik Loren, and welcome to We8. We're spilling the tea on all things fashion, film and television, giving you an exclusive peek into our perspective on style and design. Hi, I am Winter Alex. My name is Issa Shea Dunyani. Hi, my name is Issa Shea Belle and I'm Mia Nunnally. Hey, hey, hey, y'all. Welcome to another episode of We8 Podcast. I'm here with my girls. Everybody's here this week. Well, I don't know why I said that I'm sitting here looking at Winter's empty chair. She'll be here at some point in this recording. It's been a crazy week and a half. We have Fashion Week has happened. This past week in New York, we had the MTV Music Awards that we want to chat about. Of course, we're going to ate or hate the red carpet or peen carpet, whatever they like to call it. Yeah, so I mean I think we should just start off with the pink carpet, because that is what's top of the conversation we have straight into this room and started HAPPIN' ON ME FOOTBAK. I want to start off with what I did, like.
Speaker 2:So start off on a high note. That's nice, so cute.
Speaker 1:Please tell me what you liked. So I loved Cardi and Offset.
Speaker 2:I think they look great, I did too.
Speaker 1:I did a few clips I love with Collin Carter with extending out that couture dress from a mini skirt you would think Cardi B Hot Girl, she's going to have a booty out.
Speaker 2:They're hair clips.
Speaker 1:And to extend that down to make it a nice maxi dress is very beautiful. I thought that was cute. I did Chloe Bailey and the Roberto Cavalli dress. I thought that was nice. That's the orange one, that's the sister. I like the vagina cleavage. Yeah, I don't need that. Wait, let me see, I don't think that was vagina. That's the crease of her thigh. No, that's wasn't. That's vagina cleavage, that's side tip for the cat.
Speaker 2:What is that thing called?
Speaker 1:What else would that be? That's the intersection of pelvic bone and drumstick and that's the intersection of my tittie in this dress. It's called cleavage. It's very vaginal, it's cute, but I don't like it. I think it was a lot of vagina on the runway, I mean on the pink carpet that we didn't necessarily need.
Speaker 2:It's good vaginosis.
Speaker 1:What's her name? City?
Speaker 2:girls.
Speaker 1:Where are we? I'm not JT Where's, I'm at Carisha.
Speaker 2:Do we know who she was wearing? I thought it was Ariel.
Speaker 1:It looks like sexy gargoyle. I'm just going to say that it does look very the wings of a gargoyle, I wish she would have put on a penny hose. That would have changed.
Speaker 2:Black sheer panty hose would have made it just a little bit more elevated and tasteful. I'm not mad at the silhouette of it. She got the body. I'm not tripping, but a penny hose would be like In a different shoe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, imagine if she had on a black sheer panty hose with the silver platform on top.
Speaker 1:That would be a nice contrast. You're right, it would be so flesh. It was definitely flesh. It wasn't balanced enough, especially for the top to be so heavy and dramatic and then the bottom to be so empty and muted. I don't know what you want to say but the top is beautiful I think that's the thing.
Speaker 2:I like the top a lot. Her hair looked great, her face looked great, her body looked good.
Speaker 1:We didn't need the koochie on the carpet. I think they didn't put that hose on there for that tattoo. I think that they wanted that rose or whatever floral situation she got. Yeah, I think that was the star of the show. I think, that they were trying to put that on the ass. It was your star, she's already had. I mean, is it new? Is it a new tattoo?
Speaker 2:I mean I've never seen her vaginal area but this is my first time ever paying attention. She show it. Well either way, the top is an eight.
Speaker 1:The styling is a hate for me. I guess another call out that I did like. I saw you looking at it. Sheikah was Megan in that Brandon Blackwood corset dress. I kind of like that. I thought her body looked good. She always looks good. Cheers to the girls who are actually working out. I mean, I don't know if she could have gotten it Nick took who knows, but it still looks like her body.
Speaker 2:It looks very natural.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I like that. Brandon Blackwood did a gown and he's a purse guy, like you know, black designer. I think she looks great. I think it's maybe a different color, I don't know. Yeah, I'm a little bored with it out of her previous things that she showed us. I feel like it's very safe. Let me say that I feel like it's safe for her persona, like she kind of gets needs a safe moment.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's been given to his country. What she's doing is oh, okay, she definitely gave it to you. On that music video and the performance. I ran the performances back here today just to catch up with the culture, and it's a lot, even from that to the Latin girls running around they shaking ass too.
Speaker 1:The visuals of her and Cardi's performance. I'm not a fan of the song, but the visuals were top notch. On the performance the Latin inspired thing and I was shocked how covered they were, because they really could have cut that fringe to where you really seen like booty booty, booty booty rocking everywhere. But they had, like you know, they were pretty covered until they really started like popping, popping out, popping booty.
Speaker 2:We like Colin's work around here. Colin is a fan's favorite. Shout out to Colin Fan's favorite yeah, he does great.
Speaker 1:He needs to extend his services to several other fans and he's kind, I like, kind, like good people, but I think wait. So I see, are you referring specifically to the VMA performance or to their video?
Speaker 1:Both the video and the performance it just was very visually pleasing and kind of hopping out of the hot or not. We can include it. But Diddy and his performance with all red and brought his son out, he brought his daughters out on stage and everything was like red on red on red. I thought that looked nice visually but the whole monochromatic thing kind of I don't know.
Speaker 2:We're going to do a rerun, we're going to see who will.
Speaker 1:Oh, maybe but I felt like the performance itself was so low energy Like, even though they were trying to like it just didn't feel Was it flat? It felt flat, it felt very flat and forced and it's like hmm, I saw that his son did Mesa's part, which probably will attribute attribute to the lack of some of the energy, because it's not your song.
Speaker 2:It's like I'm doing it with my dad.
Speaker 1:Like no, he, you know, he a little teeny popper or something, so he should bring the energy it was, it was. It just felt flat, I know. But going back to the carpet, what do y'all think about? Saweetie and her Flintstone inspired. I need to go back and go through the full area show. But I, you know, I can appreciate creativity, but this particular gown I did not like. It was the thing. It was the the bone going over. It was the bone going under her face. It's not flattering.
Speaker 1:I don't feel like the silhouettes flattering. I think I can appreciate her doing something different, yeah, but I don't think it looked great. I think the area and their bone thugs and harmony agenda was kind of it was very avant-garde and I don't think it was supposed to be outside of the runway. You know, like their whole theme of like not doing the fur, like owed to the beginning of times, we're not going to do the fur but we'll do fur print, we're going to do stripe. I did like their tiger striped. They had some like tiger striped accents on some of their suiting and blazers and stuff.
Speaker 1:But like I don't think this was just because you saw it on the runway and it actually looks better on the model.
Speaker 2:So let's do that.
Speaker 1:And I was going to say those boots can be need to come off the runway. Those are great. What boots.
Speaker 2:So this is one thing about fashion week that I was previously discussing this morning with Mia. I just I'm tired of seeing the aunt bodies in contour fashion.
Speaker 1:It doesn't really the wet bodies, the aunt bodies.
Speaker 2:It doesn't really resonate with the look that we're going for and they don't always just sit properly on these figures. And no shade to anyone who makes augmentations to their body. More power to you. I love it, but we have to kind of figure out a way to dress these folks that accommodate these shapes, Because just pulling things off a runway and putting it on a girl whose body is definitely not constructed for these garments, it's a fighting matter. So you don't even know what to look like.
Speaker 2:You don't know what to look at her tits and ass or at this bone going across her face? Because it's so much visually to digest.
Speaker 1:Does she have a body like that? She doesn't have enough. First of all, and also I think that is a testament to like your stylist just pulling it off the runway and putting it on you, because we see Cardi do it often and it looks good, but also it's execution. It's tailored, tailor, tailor, it's not even tailored on her, and I mean too the stylist and the celebrity's relationship is so such a thing. One of the things that the reason why Zendaya works is because her and. Lyle are synchronized.
Speaker 2:Yep, same thing with Collin and Cardi.
Speaker 1:Same thing with Collin and Cardi. A lot of these stylists are not synchronized with these celebrities and the celebrities are just wanting to. They're so it's giving insecure. Yeah, they just want to throw the shit on. They just want to look sexy.
Speaker 2:And then they don't want to stick with someone who can build their look. So we're at a space where we're literally pulling garments just for you to make sure that your body is accentuated and looks at its best at every moment no matter if we're getting it off the runway from off the rack from someone that's in Jerusalem like who cares?
Speaker 2:but we want to make sure that it fits your brand, your look and your body type. These folks is calling hey, I need a stylist. Can you pull this for Saweetie? You hear what I'm saying. They throwing money at the problem and they don't even know their bodies. Yeah, that's true, and there's no trust there.
Speaker 1:Or even their personal style elevation Like what do you want to? How do you want your style to elevate at? Another point that you're not at right now. And then how do we get it to?
Speaker 2:that point? Well, they don't.
Speaker 1:Right. A lot of the reasons why what she and I were talking, what's her and I were talking about is that there is no, there's no blueprint in the beginning. They don't have a foundation of what they should look like, because they are not. These celebrities are a little child, want to get canceled but, like some of them, are just tacky. You know, they just want to look like even. They want to look like each other. They want to be sexy. They want, you know, to be. Hey, look at me.
Speaker 1:I got this sexy ass clothes on, but I look crazy and I don't even think it's sexy. Do you think, like you know? Do you think it's them trying to beat each other to the punch? Like sweetie, for instance, you got that shit off the runway the day after it came out, but did you even like you?
Speaker 2:know what I'm saying. I don't think she was trying to give sexy because. I'm on Instagram now. No, I think she was giving fashion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she wanted to give fashion here because I'm on her Instagram now, because when I just said, do she got a body like that? And I went to go look and she do got a body and she has a lot more provocative looks like even in the past week on her Instagram.
Speaker 2:Did you see the one with the with the bow? Now, I did appreciate her little hair and the bow and I can't really remember the garment she had on. I remember her boobs was up hot, see. This is why I'm saying like sometimes the body gets in the way of the, look right, because yes, yeah, I now.
Speaker 1:What does it look like it?
Speaker 2:was. Her hair was in this bow, super cute, kind of like Asian inspired, and then she had on this boudoir moment. But I got so caught up in between her tits and from the neck up I completely forgot the bodice of the dress you know what I'm saying which could give moments of she's wearing this stuff right off the wrong way. This is just seeing. Who is that by?
Speaker 1:Kim Shwee, I just saw that. I love Kim Shwee, so yeah, it's giving. Let me be the it girl because I have the latest designer that just dropped like it's a race to the finish.
Speaker 2:Who's her stylist?
Speaker 1:Her stylist has great pool. There's no, which is great.
Speaker 2:Her stylist has great pool.
Speaker 1:Where is the consultation?
Speaker 2:She's leaving my tagging and like making it pulling it all together. That's another thing that. I'm sorry, sheik, but the whoever did all this work last minute to get her together. You think she tagged them and said who put me together? No, no, you want everybody to think you did this all on your own. You called them showrooms.
Speaker 1:You did it, you did it. I will say so, the Coco Jones look. We've seen that before, so I'm not mad at it. However, I think it could have been accessorized differently.
Speaker 1:Like the, the big jeweled necklace and matching earrings and bracelet. I think it should have been more of like a rocker moment, like maybe a Dylan Lex moment, added in hair pulled back in something sleek long ponytail or high ponytail or bun, because I actually think the skirt is cute. I love the top, the bustier. I love the bustier, I love the fact that it's.
Speaker 2:We've seen that before.
Speaker 1:In a different color. I think it's fair. I've seen it before. Who's it by? I mean, when that reference was made, I think it was what either a comment. Who's it by? Let me see what's it. Was it Fendi?
Speaker 2:I don't know, who was doing that big zipper.
Speaker 1:Is it? I mean McQueen did it, Moschino, Moschino.
Speaker 2:Yeah, moschino, yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's Coco Jones is wearing Moschino.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, yeah, because they make a bag that looks like this skirt years ago.
Speaker 1:I actually like this. I just think it should have been styled differently and you know, I feel like she can pull. Somebody made a comment on Facebook about her Like we've seen you in this before. But if she can pull that, look off because she's got to buy, right yeah. It works for her. Yeah, but I think it's different because you're pulling in the biker elements. I just think it could have been executed.
Speaker 1:Yeah throughout the full. Look like not this elegant jewelry and again, the hair. Hair is cute, but just. I think it would have been better Sleep and pull back. There's a lot of factors that go with these styling needs at these celebrities too. A lot of times it's so last minute. You know these stylists are finding out the day two, three, four days before you know the stylists aren't talking to the hair.
Speaker 2:They're talking to the stylists and makeup.
Speaker 1:We know that's a problem. They're a reflection of that, yeah. Everyone is a part of you Coco Jones and you know you're excuse me if you're Coco Jones and you know that you're a presenter or you're performing or whatever. Like the lack of preparation and who is that on Her management, right?
Speaker 2:That's her management. But her management doesn't care. They don't care until.
Speaker 1:And we're not saying that happened in Coco's case, we're just saying overall, a lot of times it does happen.
Speaker 2:With celebrity clients. Nine out of ten there's someone handling them and their handler is the one that takes their time. To put these numbers together. Figure out how much they're going to pay the necessary people to get the job done.
Speaker 1:Also, I think, the fact that this is hitting, and I don't know if annually, fashion week and the VMAs always hit at the same time but, no, it seems, because most of these people are toggling back and forth from like fashion week to you know they had a jam-pack scheduled of fashion week things. So to go from that To an award show, like, where do you have the time for the proper preparation? Or maybe you prep for your fashion week look and your VMA look at the same time, but, um, some of these people don't need to. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:They don't need to be at fashion week, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying like, why does it? Why does it need to coincide with the next, with the what? Like? Why is Saweetie at fashion week?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because she has 12.9 million Like it's become it's I mean it's fashion is now it's no longer about the art and the creativity. It's about who can get the most eyes on the garment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really like convoluted, which is I mean.
Speaker 1:So look at it like this if I'm a designer and I have this collection and I put insert model name here in my collection and in this runway show, and then maybe this editorial spread, that is not necessarily going to reach Some 16 year old girl who lives in Beverly Hills who wants to wear that look to prom.
Speaker 1:If you put it on a Cardi B, if you put it on a maid the stallion, if you put it on a Saweetie, you are now Reaching a whole different audience, a whole different demographic of what of that one dress that Wouldn't have reached that demographic without it being on a trendy celebrity. So the reason that these brands and Anna went towards and all of them are inviting these People, these like I spices, yeah, like they're inviting them because they're hot for right now and they're going to get me the lights, the views and the, the metrics I'm looking for. If I put a model in this, it lives for a day, it lives for a week, it lives in this editorial. But if I put a celebrity on this, that's going to get reposted, retweeted, you know, over and over again and reach millions of people with a single post. That's the reason why these people are getting the invites to.
Speaker 1:But I think but that was what the stylist were getting invited for, right, because the stylist actually put the clothes on those Design, I mean on those celebrities, right. And then there is a world, there's a whole nother fashion world, that people have those same numbers of Followers or pool that every mighty might not know, but if you're in that fashion world you know them and they can sit up on that, on the like we're saying London girl, nyc, all of these different people, scott, louis, alexander, julian, like there are these stylists who can sit at the front row of these shows. They have a following from the everyday person. They are the people who are styling these editorial shoes, that are putting the people in the things.
Speaker 1:I think it might cheapen the experience to. It's like bringing music into Fashion. You have to do it in a way that's very subtle and then the same thing vice versa. Like you know, there's like an infrastructure where that can happen and where that balance and pull happens. And then there's another way that it happens that it's like that ain't really a world. That's like the models being like I'm a rapper now, like no, you're not go to the concert.
Speaker 2:What can I break?
Speaker 1:this down for y'all, and some stats and metrics. No, I don't want to hear the practicality of it all practically.
Speaker 2:That, that's we know why we're tired of the sign Before social media. Who was on our front rows?
Speaker 1:It was the.
Speaker 2:PR people. Yeah, it was the editors, it was the stylist, it was the. It was the buyers of the department stores that we are now losing because of there's no one's even going in stores like that anymore. You know, I'm saying like everything's become so fast fashion that the people who hold these, the real gates to have in these images, in these clothing, inside the stores, are gone.
Speaker 1:You know we're losing that because everything's so fast everything's right now we're losing our department stores all together like yeah, oh wrong. Barney's New.
Speaker 2:York gone, like the way we're talking about stables in the fashion community. They are now gone because everybody wants right now. Right now isn't always the best answer.
Speaker 1:I but if you look at again, it's a business. I don't these brands. It's about their bottom line, it's about their money. And again, just to quantify this Law Roach right, that's a dupe.
Speaker 1:I'm just like you know me, law Roach has 1.3 million followers and Saweetie has 12 times that many followers. She has 13 million followers. So when you say like, well, these are the people who should be okay and Law Roach could be there front row and blah, blah, blah, he's still only going to hit a 12th of what Saweetie can reach, but he's gonna put the clothes on Saweetie, no matter what. Like you know what I'm saying. Whoever her style is, is went to the show, sat front row we don't know who that is Saweetie still was gonna put the. She was still gonna put that Aria dress on right, but like she didn't have to physically be there to put it on, nobody saw her at the show and was like, oh my God, saweetie, we saw her in the streets and we saw her at the VMAs. If she kept her eyes at the VMAs then the stylist put the shit on her.
Speaker 1:It would we would still be talking about this dress.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, like I think that's the part is the fact that it's gonna come down the funnel, no matter what right, and they're not trying to get more people to the fashion shows, like they're always gonna be a level of exclusivity at the fashion shows and on the ground and I think that's what the fashion girls, the stylist, the PR people are like. Well, I don't need to see you at the show Like this is my world, to like vibe and get creative and do the things. I don't wanna see your big titties and booty out in fucking up the garments. I wanna see the model in it and then I wanna put it in my head, I wanna tweak it and then be able to style it on you in a way that's beautiful. But if you kinda counteract that and put the whoever, the talent on the floor, it kind of it might bastardize the creativity, because now they just wanna put the thing on Versus you seeing it and being like you know what I could flip this. I know exactly how I could make this work for this person Versus like the talent being like I wanna wear it like that.
Speaker 1:Well, you can't do that. You know what I'm saying and it's still gonna get on you. You know what I'm saying. You're still gonna look great. It just I don't know Ice Spice, she's crazy. Let's move on to JT. Do we know who JT was wearing Looks?
Speaker 1:like her every leisure. Huh, no, we said who it was. I think her shoes are Marc Jacobs. It definitely is, cause those are the shoe slits moments I'm saying shoe slits I think she's too petite, short. I don't like again like the. The, like you said, the off the runway look doesn't necessarily work with the augmented bodies and I feel like if you cause her boobs about my size and ain't no way I would squeeze my boobs and to be spilling. I don't like that spillover look.
Speaker 2:You guys are similar in statue too, like she got height too. She's tall and she's big.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's big I don't like that. I didn't know that. But yeah, I'm gonna say that's a hate for her.
Speaker 2:Her face looks beautiful.
Speaker 1:Her face looks beautiful. I hate the makeup.
Speaker 2:It looks like a clown. What?
Speaker 1:were you saying she could. Oh, I do like. I do like the look, just like you know, we mentioned earlier the look is cool, Like we like it on somebody else, Cause I like the element of the shoe and the dress together. Yeah, I love that I do think if, if her breasts were toned down a bit, I could get with it yeah. For sure Dang let's talk about, please let's not what I don't want to get her red, why?
Speaker 1:I just want to give her no air time, why? Okay, so there it is. That's where your booty hole. Everybody is very nude, mesh or just flat out pasty moment. So let's talk about the lack of material and like how to do neck it well, or how to do that neck it look well, because we also had Doja Cat, who just looked like she got caught in a spider web and put some pasties on. She's still a good, though I kind of like that Did you like that.
Speaker 1:You got to think about who she is. Do you like that? Or do you want her to come up looking like a republin Like? You know what I'm saying, and even that I liked she's just it tracks with who she is. I don't like the shoe, but I do like the fact that you know how many people put that shit on. Yeah, first of all, imagine trying to go to the bathroom with that shit on.
Speaker 1:You get stuck in a web. She pissing on webs. Yeah, I didn't like it. I mean, I know that it might be on brand for her, but it looks unfinished to me. I mean I guess it's supposed to be intentionally unfinished. Look, yeah, I liked it A raw or a bad look. I actually think she probably could have pulled off Lent Stone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she could have. She could have On her, that would have been perfect. That lands with her brand. She has that whole. I'm on guard moment going. She's very daring.
Speaker 1:It sits very well with who she is, as a part that's not supposed to wear, that.
Speaker 2:But Sweetie, sweetie could have switched.
Speaker 1:They could have switched. Let Sweetie wear the spider web and spider web with a flip. I mean there's a space for Sweetie. I think she could have been a more of a, I guess Laquan Smith.
Speaker 2:Well, she did do Laquan Smith. She did the what is it? The off shoulder moment with the boob across. We put Ari in it for impact and the long sleeve, and then they did who wore it best between her and Cocoa, and her abdomen was out very low. You got the photo of Sweetie. You just showed it to me.
Speaker 1:The red, the red, yeah, okay, yeah. So that was beautiful on her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's Laquan Smith. That was amazing on her.
Speaker 1:I think she could have still did aria, but I think she could have did something else. She could have did one of the fur moments of. Ari with the little flirty skirts and she did well with that. Yes, she does well with it Versus her doing that Flintstone thing. Let's move on to Nicki Minaj and her all pink bridal veil. You okay on?
Speaker 2:it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hate that. Oh, you mean, I'm okay, I hate it.
Speaker 2:So that's a fashion week.
Speaker 1:What's my girl's name? That was that Julia Fox did something here. Did y'all see it?
Speaker 2:Mm-mm Very similar Okay. I liked her performance outfit.
Speaker 1:Did you see Nicki's performance the red? She had a big fur on and then she started taking it off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that looked good.
Speaker 1:I want more for her. I want a certain evolution for Nicki, because she's got a lot of skin in the game and I just want to see her evolve in general. Okay, yeah, not just with fashion, but just overall In general, her music and everything, yeah, and I also want to feel like she don't have to go there with none of these girls because, it's like I'm Nicki.
Speaker 2:She need to grow up the power struggle for relevancy.
Speaker 1:Relevancy it's the best piece. It's the power struggle for relevancy compared to the newer generation and it makes me feel like how I feel about 40-year-old rappers at a certain point and she is that you don't need to be that, no more. You ain't got to tell us about selling drugs because that ain't your life, no more.
Speaker 2:You're not a Barbie, no more. Some of it's not Right, you know.
Speaker 1:I want more for her style-wise. I want her to get with somebody great, like a really great stylist, and all the way, pull her together.
Speaker 2:I think she just you know.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say it's not a, it's a pretty dress. I don't know, I just I. It doesn't even look like a dress.
Speaker 2:This looks like a project, a home project, that somebody said.
Speaker 1:The veil is pretty, I would have said let's just do a different color. I think if it was black I wouldn't be mad. This looks like Joanne fabric and my friend So's, and we gonna do this. What's that called? What's that print that? Who designed?
Speaker 2:it. You got the lace Doche and you got the. It looks like yes, it does look like Doche, is it Doche?
Speaker 1:A lot of people are doing these like lacy bride moments, Like you know. But why is this pretty in this night? I don't even think that's pretty. I can't even tell the detail. I do.
Speaker 1:I mean when I say pretty, like it just, is it because it's on that white girl? Maybe because it just fits? I don't think it's pretty on her either. I don't get it. Is this a wedding or an award show, like what? There is no need for no veil outside. If you ain't Morticia Adams or if you ain't a bride at the altar, what is the reason for a veil? Yeah, in the street, I agree. So, zeeza, you had another eight, I had an eight moment, but I got a cute girl in stock there we go.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I don't know this girl. Her name is Madeline Klein and she's wearing Givenchy and I think she looks darling. I don't know, it's like a little. I don't know, it's cute.
Speaker 2:It's subtle. Madeline is on, madeline plays on what is my show in the beach and certain white coming of age.
Speaker 1:The.
Speaker 2:Treasure in North Carolina.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's on the Netflix show. What's it?
Speaker 2:called Outer Banks. Outer Banks, oh Outer Banks, she's the star of the Outer Banks.
Speaker 1:I like her. I don't know, it's cute. I don't think it's really styled. Maybe I just like the dress and it's just wearing real.
Speaker 2:But it's just simple, it works you like slip dresses and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:You wear that a lot, so I could see you liking that. I feel like the color and against her complexion.
Speaker 2:It kind of washes her out.
Speaker 1:She's a pretty girl, it's just okay, it feels safe and okay and like a switcher, Demi Lovato.
Speaker 2:can we talk about Demi Lovato? I think she looked fantastic from the red carpet.
Speaker 1:Her pronouns are now she's mad. Oh, demi Lovato on the carpet. What did she wear With his shoulder? She had the shoulder moment.
Speaker 2:She could have been right up there, with Carisha on top of the building. Gargle. I'm okay, one and two. So I liked her and I liked her show her performance. Look as well. It was like this patent leather evening gown. It was very rocker inspired.
Speaker 1:you know Is she wearing a noir Like who's jacket by it's nice. And lastly I guess we can finish on this note is what did you all think about Ashanti and more specifically her clutch, which?
Speaker 2:was the arts and crafts project.
Speaker 1:My man my man, my man. It's tacky, tacky, tacky. It looked like Demi. I guess she couldn't be there with her this evening.
Speaker 2:Wee he was on another stage performing with Inna Phil Chopper. Nobody needed it. It's giving.
Speaker 1:It's giving.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna sleep on the shot to you all together. Inna Phil Chopper no girl NLE it, it oh say, say Helicopter, Chopper, Cause you know he sample is getting hot in here.
Speaker 1:Oh, and so then Nelly came out. This was at the VMAs.
Speaker 2:I saw that on the performances too.
Speaker 1:Oh, so he was there with her. Well, he was around town. So then what happened?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't know my man that much Um so that right here, and I gotta have a picture the tortoise titties.
Speaker 1:I wasn't mad at, you know, whatever Tortoise, two of tortoise titties.
Speaker 2:They're turtles Zoom in.
Speaker 1:Oh well, she looked pretty, I think she looked pretty, her face is pretty. She could have just had a bomb ass bag on her.
Speaker 2:Well, that's quite a lot. She didn't need a bag Her assistant kid carried a bag.
Speaker 1:I'm confused. The bag looks like. You know what the bag looks like when you go to like a inauguration and then they have like all this paraphernalia with the president's face on it Like an air freshener, like from the flea market.
Speaker 2:It's a little country.
Speaker 1:It just looks, I just feel like it's screaming for attention and the shanty don't need it, like she been cool and like doing her thing. She ain't got, she ain't do that. We know, y'all know, I can tell that the bag probably was fine before they added this like sticker or whatever on it Cause the bag is the right color. It complements the, so she should have yeah she should have, it's not giving me too much. But I don't think she have any friends that she ran that past, like y'all think that's too much, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you gotta show people like what you're thinking about. This girl I don't think she had any friends Cause she ain't show nobody that and they might have said don't.
Speaker 1:But she said, fuck it, I'm gonna do it for the grand.
Speaker 2:I don't even like the dress.
Speaker 1:It's so auntie to me, she's an auntie, it's giving auntie, it's auntie what?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't know what, like that, I wanna be that auntie.
Speaker 1:Hood auntie. That's what she is, though it's brand Dillerts.
Speaker 2:And then oh girl, let me cut this off and put this bra on.
Speaker 1:Ooh, I got a question y'all. This is side of the story. But did y'all see that? Was it Fungal Valguni Shane and La Roach, he creative director that. Did y'all read the article? Mm-mm, that fashion show, which one? Which show? So that's the company. It's like an Indian company they did, like New York, it Girl Meets Mumbai. The brand is called Fungal Shane Peacock. Very interesting, I know Fungal Shane Peacock, but I guess he was the artistic director for their fashion show. La Roach was.
Speaker 1:And I think that's so interesting because we were having the conversation, like a year ago, about when he quit. He's like I'm quitting the industry. It feels like it Damn. That was just a couple of things. It was a year ago because we were on the game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why that's my measuring stick, and I called him.
Speaker 1:I thought he was having a temper tantrum and he was.
Speaker 1:He was, but I mean, now he's. We were trying to figure out what he was gonna do to like elevate outside of stylings and, dad, it's kinda cool that he figured out a lane. I wanna segue when you just said that a lot of these fashion shows at New York Fashion Week I'm about to circle it back to these stylists A lot of these shows are not hitting cause they ain't hiring the right stylist. And I wanna give a special shout out I don't know her but in my mind I think she's one of my friends is Gabriella Careffa Johnson. Carifa Careffa, the sister. She's kind of like a. She's one of the folk, she works for a folk. Yes, our girl with the uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And she styled Alta Zura's show and if it wasn't for her, I think that the show kinda lends itself to be a little bit mwah, meh, yeah, meh. But the stylist really like I know, you know, when Sarah Bacchina Day used to be really into Mark Jacobs and I felt like that stylist whoever was in there to like put all that shit together, made the show. Cause, if you separate everything we know, cause we see it on the racks and we'd be like, hmm, they don't look at it.
Speaker 2:They gotta see it on something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know yeah and she so like. Gabriella Careffa Johnson. Look her up. She's cute, I actually follow her Like, if I have to do like a plus size. That's the one crying Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really Mm-hmm. This is who this is and did the stuff at Target. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you have a shout out to her. But yes, I think that's a dope opportunity, and that's a dope, dope ass opportunity. Well, and she's been doing them. You know she work, you know she's a contributor over at Vogue and editor at Vogue, so she's on my Pinterest board.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she does the Pinterest board. I was like I don't follow her.
Speaker 1:I don't think on Instagram, but Pinterest board. You know who else is giving little eight girl. I like what's my baby girl's name? Marcy Martin. She's so cute to me, I love her development into you know, she not grown yet, but she know, like she grown, she's grown.
Speaker 2:But she's like 19. She's 21 years old. She's not yet.
Speaker 1:But she's hitting and not doing too much.
Speaker 2:Yes, which I like.
Speaker 1:I'm very Yara. I feel like are playing the long game Like. I'm gonna give you a little bit of like I'm a grown woman now, but I'm gonna still keep it classy enough that I could be Academy Award winning, you know. Whatever later on down the line. Which can we talk about repeating looks? Do y'all wanna talk about that? To close up, which me On Instagram Like can you repeat a look After you've worn it, you've been photographed in it? What are the rules of repeating that look?
Speaker 2:I'm more friendly. There should not be rules.
Speaker 1:I'm wearing one right now. I hate the word rules. Style it differently.
Speaker 2:You know I'm gonna re-read something.
Speaker 1:Can we set this up? Do y'all like this? The gloves, I don't know. We just keep talking oh yeah, they haven't said you know. Okay, well, that was the setup. Are we done with this other stuff we were talking about? Is this the?
Speaker 2:trend, I do wanna drop the name of Demi Lovato's designer. Oh okay, it's called Berlanga.
Speaker 1:Berlanga oh.
Speaker 2:Drop that in the notes as well. It's a little avant-garde. And you mentioned Luar. I like him, you do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do like Luar, the Dominican brother out of William Spire Brooklyn.
Speaker 2:I like his bags.
Speaker 1:I love his bags.
Speaker 2:Okay, I love his shoulder pads. I hate him on him.
Speaker 1:Isn't that weird? I like how his clothes that he designs. I like what he does when he puts them on people, but his head's so small for them shoulder pads. He'd be looking like they're doing it from the scary movie, right, but I mean he does a great job, he knows what he's doing. Yeah, I think the Afro-Latinas win it right now In design.
Speaker 2:Just in general. Just in general, the Latinas in general win it. Well, yeah, but like Beautiful thing that bongo Do y'all remember?
Speaker 1:when we were in the D-Y, we went to the club and we heard the original song Chica Nope, I'm a Cindy T.
Speaker 2:Bongo.
Speaker 1:Oh to the song that we were singing.
Speaker 2:I still haven't heard the song. Have y'all heard the song? Yeah?
Speaker 1:I heard it in a jiff. I'm necessary, did y'all?
Speaker 2:know that the bongos. They're talking about how your ass sounds when you get that in the back. She said that in.
Speaker 1:Miami years ago. Oh, somebody hit my butt like that in Miami. They just what the? I was standing over a fence outside of oh, who is it? I can't remember what club, a special club and he just Brrr oh, and kept moving. Really, for real.
Speaker 2:So was it somebody you knew.
Speaker 1:No no. Mm-hmm no but I felt like a bongo Say hit it from the bed like a yes.
Speaker 2:You got cheeks today.
Speaker 1:Okay, I did here in the gym this morning and it did kind of?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's one of those mom you know like remiss on when you work in this, alright.
Speaker 1:Working out, because I thought we said, like that's when we brought this song up the other day, right, and it was like where's the death, where's what? Can I make love to you? And now you like it. No, I'm not retracting it at all, okay.
Speaker 2:She said I'm like a nun yeah.
Speaker 1:There's a space, oh here. It's better than Gucci pink booty. Oh yeah, it is comparable.
Speaker 2:No, very close. It's like an adult version of sexy right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe an adult version. It's just as explicit.
Speaker 2:It's not about any ball.
Speaker 1:It's not about how explicit is it?
Speaker 2:How you talking tacky, tacky.
Speaker 1:You want to be fine. Oh, you want to be the upper-ish.
Speaker 2:I'll be a million. Sorry, honey. I wish you all the best and like, turn over real soon. That is not. She's not.
Speaker 1:She is real, like when I think about hood chicks, when I think about like, if you think, talk about Baltimore.
Speaker 2:She's the hood rat finest. That's what you talk. That's her clothes. No, I'm not saying where she from. I'm saying where she from the pain. No, where she's from, we're not gonna do St Louis like this?
Speaker 1:So we know how to talk about her. That's where she from she says it in the little brown booty hole.
Speaker 2:Oh, you listen to that?
Speaker 1:No, I also heard that at the gym this morning. Oh, okay, what do you go to? Oh, oh, it was me, what? Okay, here's the original. Um, yes, I literally shazam all these songs that they played at the club in the DR and I made a little playlist.
Speaker 2:Hmm, can I get the playlist?
Speaker 1:It's fine, it might go well in my household. You guys were like on the floor.
Speaker 2:We were dancing, you know.
Speaker 1:I want the playlist. Me and my man look at each other every day. I need some spicy and he's Dominica. But yeah, yeah, okay, better. You know my feel-good item. Yeah, let's talk about feel-good items. What makes you feel good when you're not? What elevates your spirits? I'm just asking cuz I feel like I was in a rut last week, talked some girls, everybody had like a moment. Maybe it was the stars, maybe mercury was in micro braids, who knows? But what?
Speaker 2:Twice a year snatched it up.
Speaker 1:She snatched me up. I was chilling so I had to do certain things to elevate my energy, you know, and one of those things Specifically for myself, when I'm feeling frumpy or like I can't I can't get into it I walk around with a TR at my house and it's quite strange. If you know me, I'm not really that kind of girl but it really makes me feel good at home but I just be like I'm a princess.
Speaker 1:I'm a princess, I have to do it so I can Lift my spirit. So is there anything, any item, clothing, thing that you do that just makes you lift your spirit? We could just keep it in and out. You know, got two things kickboxing and these wonderful gummies that have THC in them.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Hybrid and they're great. What's your thing winter?
Speaker 2:Manuels and six kids be there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll tell my man. Yeah, come on now, my man, my man, man, what about you, man, probably putting my feet on the ground. Grounding myself going outside, getting some fresh air and moving my body. That's the one. That's what I do very often and get on the phone and listen to.
Speaker 2:People gossip. I do like that team though. Yeah like my shit is getting in the shower and talking on the phone.
Speaker 1:Oh, you do it too.
Speaker 2:I legit get in the shower and talk on the phone. It's like my way of breathing. I do that. I thought I was on the phone. No girl, I love it. Like I catch all my girlfriends in the shower, or I talk to my like. It's just my way of like, just Because you're talking to everybody else about that shit, so you don't have to think about your shit for the day. So it's like okay.
Speaker 1:What you got going on, girl, that's real. I look same, I feel. Good thing is food I gotta eat. That'll change my whole mood and add something. Oh dang, I was just hungry.
Speaker 2:You are the one that's always like what's for dinner? Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean Food will just, you know, it's a mood Lift for me. You know, like some good, good food, like I yeah, that'll change my whole mood, um, and cooking, like if I'm, if I really feel inspired to cook something and it turned out really bomb, and I'm like, dang, this tastes so good, like that'll just kind of change my day around. It's just, it's beautiful, yeah, I don't know what Going on in the stars. What's planet?
Speaker 2:Are we in All of them? Let me tell you Because?
Speaker 1:well, this is weak, i'ma send y'all a plug to world life astrology on youtube. Apparently we have like four or five planets that went into retrograde in the end of october. September area, like go into retrograde at the same time. So I think. I'm not gonna get into details because I ain't no astrologist, but I'll send you the link. I add the link in the show notes because I'll be having to check.
Speaker 2:I'm like there's no reason, I'm not my energy is not.
Speaker 1:Normally like this I have to. What is uh retrograde for the nine? Well, folks talking about myself, because I don't know. I don't follow no stars, no, i'ma tours, that's all I know. I don't know what time I was born in my Neil Neil chart.
Speaker 2:I don't know what time I was born. I asked my mother, she was like 12 years. Right, that's how real.
Speaker 1:The moon is in Virgo today.
Speaker 2:So what does that mean?
Speaker 1:Retrograde retrograde basically means the direction Directed or moving backwards. So like the planets are in retrograde, meaning they are moving out of their normal orbit in a certain degree.
Speaker 2:So it's not always the same slide and like reverse, reverse.
Speaker 1:Basically, and that's my uninformed google dictionary definition, but I'll send you, like I said, the link will have a little bit more in-depth Description of retrograde. But you know, as the planets move and position in the stars, it shifts energy. Like you know, black folks be like the moon big today, you know. Keep your energy about you, be careful because people's gonna start acting crazy because the moon and the water and energy flow and all of the things affect your emotions in some way. Ie why we even look at zodiac signs as being a thing.
Speaker 2:You know or?
Speaker 1:we get our charts red because it's the map of the stars. At the moment that you were born affects kind of like your emotional Personality and all of the things. So yeah, but why do you even be trash? I slide in like I don't know why, like what was the reason of changing course? We don't know.
Speaker 2:Special guests one day. That can break that all down. Maybe she could do a light reading.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm gonna look into that next. Yeah, let's reach out. No, um, okay, I do want to say one as we close out. Another therapeutic thing that makes me feel good is this podcast like this is my one Link up with the girls talk about the things we talked after before we get to release some of this energy. So I do say this is like a nice therapeutic feel good moment. Sometimes when I'm feeling funky, this does help lift my energy.
Speaker 1:Um, you, got green you know all of you listeners, you guys listening and helps to lift my energy, you know, um, yeah, and, like we always say, we thank you for coming and joining us and sharing space with us. Please feel free to comment, like, subscribe on all of our podcast networks apple podcast, spotify, I heart radio as well as on our instagram. And, yeah, enjoying the join the conversation. We'll see you next week. Bye.