We're one month strong and brimming with gratitude for our amazing listeners. Join us as we explore the impact of Kris Jenner's Masterclass and her role in creating generational wealth. Is it possible to appreciate art without necessarily liking the artist? Let's chew on that a little.
Finally, we'll examine the pressures of personal style that fame and influence bring, especially in the fashion industry. Discover how deviations from the norm are sometimes met with judgment and the importance of developing a personal style that's authentically you. We'll contemplate the ethical implications of fashion, emphasizing our role as consumers in driving change. So, stay tuned, subscribe, and follow us on Instagram for more engaging discussions. Your support means the world to us. Together, let's spread awareness and champion change.
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We're one month strong and brimming with gratitude for our amazing listeners. Join us as we explore the impact of Kris Jenner's Masterclass and her role in creating generational wealth. Is it possible to appreciate art without necessarily liking the artist? Let's chew on that a little.
Finally, we'll examine the pressures of personal style that fame and influence bring, especially in the fashion industry. Discover how deviations from the norm are sometimes met with judgment and the importance of developing a personal style that's authentically you. We'll contemplate the ethical implications of fashion, emphasizing our role as consumers in driving change. So, stay tuned, subscribe, and follow us on Instagram for more engaging discussions. Your support means the world to us. Together, let's spread awareness and champion change.
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Credit and special thanks goes to:
Produced by: Aziza Duniani @woman_Business
Music supervisor: Chic loren @chicloren_
Music by: Gavin Williams @thegavin1
So welcome back guys. Episode five of we.
Speaker 2:Ape Podcast. We are back in the building, ladies, for another episode. I don't know what that was. We Ape, I can't know it y'all. Oh, I do wanna call out before we start talking about our topics for the week we are officially one month old. You're like newborn babies in this mug. Okay, thank you to everybody who's been liking subscribing following commenting we are filling all of the love. We see the downloads them stats is looking real good.
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Speaker 2:Today we'll be talking all of our frugal fashion finds with she in, all the way down to your fashion rentals with luxury designers like Rent the Runway, and our how social media has affected our personal style throughout the years. Let's get this conversation started. I wanna throw it over to Mia, who we'll be talking about over the line and what we're watching.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, what are we watching? And I will say that we're seeing this because we are a group of costume folk in costumes, so we're watching things to get the costumes ready in our minds. So what you watching, sheet.
Speaker 3:Honestly, I haven't really been watching much of anything, Sorry I don't have. Honestly, I've just been catching up on a little BS reality TV Atlanta Housewives. I've started watching the Real Housewives, so I've started watching the Real Housewives of New York and they are quite fabulous. I am enjoying that watching them and their style and it's just cute. I'm here for it. But yeah, honestly, I have not been watching much of anything. I'm trying to think is there anything that has slipped my mind? Did I say last time I watched Silo?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just you just watched Silo, yeah, I don't have anything new to contribute to. No release, Okay, wait speaking of the Housewives, are they not canceled in Atlanta after 15 years or something like that? I feel like I saw something that said that they've been canceled.
Speaker 1:I am hoping that Atlanta can do oops and overhaul like New York did.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like it would be cool.
Speaker 1:A whole new group of cast.
Speaker 3:A whole brand new cast. It's time for some fresh faces and much love to the ladies who have been on the show for many years.
Speaker 4:Much love. They always rotate people out there. They have.
Speaker 1:No, they overhauled that cast in New York Not now one of them.
Speaker 4:So just a clean slate, a whole new group.
Speaker 1:And not only did they overhaul, they made it more true to New York City. You know, you got the Jewish girl. You got the girl from Brooklyn, the Puerto Rican Afro-Latinas, you got the girl from, like it's representative of what you're outside now.
Speaker 4:So what would you do for?
Speaker 1:Atlanta. I think I would make it more outcast-ish.
Speaker 2:Probably make them younger. I think Make them school younger and make them actual lives. It's like two of them who are actually lives.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think I would like for them to look more like what's my girl, the Eva Eva, yeah.
Speaker 2:She was on there, right, yeah, but she was also on there with a bunch of older cast members, not older in age but more seasoned to the show or the franchise.
Speaker 3:No, you're right, I mean not to no shade, because we love women of all ages. But yeah, I think everyone was older than Eva because, Eva's right along.
Speaker 1:In her 30s. Yeah, where we are.
Speaker 3:Well, not you. I think I would be interested right.
Speaker 4:I would be interested in the metrics, the target audience of who actually watches the show, because I used to work for Nielsen that was my last corporate job before I got into film and television, so understanding the ratings and who's actually watching, because it might not be a younger audience. So, even if you run the risk of Bravo, of like doing an overhaul, bringing in all this fresh, new energy, younger castmates, and then you lose, like your base audience, which could be like 35 to 55 year old women, because now you have these younger women that they don't necessarily identify with, and the storylines even though I never got into this, but the storylines are so like and the cast members are so like it's been going on for so long you run a risk of like introducing new people and it doesn't pop, it's not successful and they'll be like bring someone's though back.
Speaker 3:Well, they're risking the over. It's worth the risk? I think I think so too.
Speaker 2:Especially if, like I've seen almost I've seen a lot of this is my guilty pleasure is.
Speaker 3:Atlanta Housewives.
Speaker 2:And I just feel like it gets tired, especially with these same and I think that's what I mean by like seasoned is like you're getting tired, like now, this is the only like thing that you have to offer, minus like one or two cast members who have other things going on in their lives. Everybody else is like holding on to this housewives life versus actually being a housewife, actually having these things that are going on in real time in their lives, versus like coming up with this like random dinner. Every episode there's like, oh, let's do this. Meet and greet with the same people that we've hated for years and see how they'll, let's see how they're tracked down. And it's like I'd rather see a group of women who might not all be friends, already have a connective tissue between them.
Speaker 2:And then have some stature or like socialites or whatever, like an Eva, and then kind of develop around them because they have strong personalities. You can do the same thing that you did with the girls when they were, you know, 15 years ago. And then also, I don't think it's necessarily like you were saying age, because I mean how old are the girls?
Speaker 4:People are invested in that storyline now and then the ebbs and flows of those women's lives. So, like poor Sean on about you know. Second, third husband or partner on there anymore.
Speaker 3:Oh, she's not on there anymore.
Speaker 4:See, I'm not on there.
Speaker 2:Eva's not on there and really when I watched the show, like tracking it, that would be. My interest point is like the Eva the poor show, because they just have more going on for them versus being like bitter women.
Speaker 1:It's so monolithic too, they all seem like the same woman. That's what I'm saying in Atlanta.
Speaker 4:If you all could each throw out a name of who you think an Atlanta local or somebody who lives here. Currently lives here that you would say would be a good fit for the show. I don't know anybody. That's what I'm saying, like, but I also didn't know Portia.
Speaker 3:So I'll say I'll just throw it out there. I mean not to sound cliche, but like, look at, like a Mingli or a Milano De Rouge, you know somebody that is gonna maybe bring a certain audience for viewership. I don't know, because girls love her and she's doing well for herself. She may not be a housewife, but most of the guest members currently are not, but when I think of like who, I would me personally enjoy seeing.
Speaker 4:I don't know. I think that's the thing of like as a network, as what's the name, andy Cohen or whatever you've already built this thing with this built in audience and this following, and if you try to swap that out with something or someone else, you run the risk of running that franchise like into the ground. So whether then, taking the risk of like new people, new audience, fresher, takes, no, we just want to keep feeding, you know, the audience, these same people.
Speaker 2:These chicks gonna be crippled. Talking about the same issues, I'm ready to speak the risk or Lashie J Smith, though that was her name, kj Smith.
Speaker 3:I'm ready for the risk because we want to see some women doing something different. Again, no shade to the women who have been a part of the cast for so many years, but after a certain age, like you, want to see them thriving and not arguing about the same stuff Like the same people. Yeah, like y'all got an issue. How?
Speaker 2:many times can we see Kenya and was her Marlowe be beefing about the same thing? And they're like 50. It's like ma'am. It's like if y'all don't like each other there's some space where it's like, if I've been watching this for this long, when I turn on the show, I know exactly what I'm going to get, because these people are so ingrained in this world that there's no separating, there's no growth for them.
Speaker 1:Can I clarify something real quick. When I said outcasty, what I meant by that was someone who's a little bit more earthy the ones that hang out. Like, honestly, it would be cool to see who is the housewife of the king and the queen community. The m-hole tips on the West End. I don't want to see that I'm just saying Wait, it's not, that would be a lot of interest, but that's representative of Atlanta. Atlanta is not this girl with the things all the good.
Speaker 3:Let's get all sides out with it and then throw in a Miley Teal. Like she may not. I don't know if she really.
Speaker 2:So y'all want to see steps on Ikea, on Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 1:Boom Chef Ikea. That would be a good one, because she also can be popular.
Speaker 4:She's popular.
Speaker 1:She can relate to the Marlowe's Marlowe. She may cook Marlowe's dinner.
Speaker 4:That would be a fight. But I hear that, but I'm like, but it's okay.
Speaker 2:But, that's the show, though that's what they sell in.
Speaker 3:And, like I said, so my leek till. If you're not familiar with her, she's the CEO, owner of brand Curlbox. She's got a PR background and she's just this really, really cool woman who's been very successful in her career and PR, and she actually used to work with Kim Zolciak, I believe, years ago. So I don't know, she may not really be like you're gonna say my twist, but someone like her, you know, like someone who is cool. It's not all this extras, but she's still cute. She's about her business. She's got always got a word for you. Somebody like that. I'm just trying to think like who?
Speaker 4:who else. I have a name for you. Yeah Well, I want to go on record first of saying like I'm over this concept period, Like in terms of all the cities, like I don't, because I also feel like social media. Like when reality TV started, it was to give us a like a firsthand look at celebrities lives, and now with social media, Instagram and all that, I kind of have a front row seat to your life through your Instagram account or through your TikToks, or see your kids or you know, learn about this new venture you have. So for me the whole concept is kind of like dated and old because we basically can have that same purview through social media. But I have a really good name for the Atlanta market Okay, Pinky Cole. Okay, there you go Seth Saneke.
Speaker 2:Pinky Cole. Who's that on the?
Speaker 3:way to.
Speaker 2:Ed Eva, marcel, give us two more girls Miley, teal, miley. Teal.
Speaker 3:Minkly and Minkly. That's a whole. That's an interesting group.
Speaker 2:People will watch that just because they're like, ooh, it's someone for everybody.
Speaker 3:You wouldn't see these girls together, you wouldn't see these girls coming. So, maybe, you know, maybe casting me like, nah, yeah, but this that's definitely a group of women you would never you watching something I see.
Speaker 4:I'm not. I'm watching weird stuff.
Speaker 1:What's that?
Speaker 4:Documentaries of people on Skid Row. And you know, I just watched a doctor. I watched a documentary about a high school principal who was hypnotizing his students, that's what he was doing all whole. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Is it all, I think?
Speaker 1:I don't know, mia couldn't find it for free. I can only find the first episode.
Speaker 4:But it's a four part documentary. It's called Look Into my Eyes and it's a documentary about a principal who was using the technique of hypnotization. Is that the word On his students? And then tragedy struck, where a few students actually died. Three students died what Within like six months, a year of each other.
Speaker 2:How they killed themselves.
Speaker 4:Different ways One car accident, two suicides and one car accident and they all had been having sessions with the principal who was doing these sessions, that's wild, I'll definitely uh.
Speaker 2:That's just dark. That's just when do we go. Where do we go from here? That's what I'm watching.
Speaker 4:I mean, I think it was fascinating, though, like from a parent standpoint of, like you know, because some parents did sign off on it, some people thought it was harmless.
Speaker 2:But that's not the principal job. How do you sign it off for the principal to do counsel sessions with your child and that ain't?
Speaker 4:Well, because it was proving to be successful. Like he was working with the student athletes and they started having a winning football team, and then he was working with kids who had high anxiety in testing and then they were like acing their test scores. So, um, I mean I guess that poses a question. Would any of y'all ever do hypnotization? Would you be hypnotized?
Speaker 3:I would. However, you gotta make sure the person that is conducting the work is mentally solid, Um, because there are some weird people out here in the world that want to control and be able to say, oh well, I made this person do that and I, you know, I don't know, that's a little scary, I think that comes.
Speaker 2:I feel like people who do, because some counselors or therapists definitely use hypnotism as part of their offering. Right, I think that you wouldn't just walk into an office and be like, hypnotize me, baby. You know what I'm saying you would be like go through a couple of counseling sessions, see how you know you don't just let somebody in your brain. It's a big trust fall.
Speaker 1:That's a real trust fall yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think I would not. I think I know I would do it, but in the space of like a full mental therapeutic you know session, or whatever the case may be, you know, to make sure that I'm taking care of my mental health and with somebody, a service provider, that I actually like respect, I ain't going to my boss like put me in a gaze, baby.
Speaker 1:I ain't doing it. What about you, man? I can't think of a reason why I would get hypnotized.
Speaker 4:Some people do it to learn a new language. Some people do it to stop smoking, some people do it to.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you said it, because I am in the season of learning right now and I like the idea of just doing the things without being hypnotized you don't want to cheat.
Speaker 2:I don't want to cheat, so hypnotizing feels like I'm being, yeah, like you're not going through the mental work of whatever it is, which is what you need to do.
Speaker 1:So, and that said, that's what I'm doing, that's what I'm watching YouTube university.
Speaker 2:Okay, I was like you watch it, you watch it.
Speaker 1:No, I am in the season of learning right now, so everything I'm watching is YouTube university how to do this, how to do that, how to cook mushrooms and fry them and make it taste like chicken. I told you how to do that. He ain't listen. What?
Speaker 2:Oh, how to make mushrooms.
Speaker 1:Remember what you said yours is turn out right. So I want you to figure that out and you know all the things learning how to do AI, learning how to sell this bag that I want you know, whatever.
Speaker 1:I'm learning how to do that. And then I've been watching Kris Jenner. She was going to kill me for talking about this because she said no, but Kris Jenner's masterclass and you love her hater, but the girl is a bad woman. Shut your mouth. Yes, and she knows exactly what she's doing and her skill set. I feel like it's something that we can all learn from, whether you like it or not.
Speaker 4:Do we know what she did pre-marriage or like? What her career was.
Speaker 1:She has always aspired to be a mother. That's what she said in her masterclass. She said I wanted to be a mom, I always wanted six kids and I wanted to be a mother. And she's a mother with six of six.
Speaker 4:So where did she get her business acumen from?
Speaker 2:So she actually started with Bruce when she was married to her original husband. I don't know if she had like a career like that. She said she didn't start. Yeah, robert Kardashian, she didn't start her business like managing. She got her management and her agents license with Bruce when they had to like they like lost money, they got lost into an apartment. So she got her agents license and started managing Bruce. Right, that's what she said in her masterclass in what happened in succession is, you know, kim was working with Paris and then she had the sex tape and so, in order to change the optics, she started managing Kim and being her agent to flip the script or whatever. Then they got the show and she just started picking. Each child was like, oh, manage, agent, oh, and then started flipping around. But she didn't start her business until she was like, what if it did?
Speaker 1:Yeah, she, well she did say that when she was doing the PTA groups when your kids a little, you do the PTAs and she did the cookies and whatnot and she had a bit and she got it from her mother and her grandmother. They all had businesses, they all had clothing businesses and whatnot. So I mean everyone hates Kris Jenner innocent, not everyone, let me not say this. There are some people who love her, some people hate her, but I think it's very, very beautiful what she's done, in a way that it makes every. It makes me feel like, oh, I can do that.
Speaker 2:You know, it's good to take from people take that energy and I think really the bigger issue is like the kids in their you know what I'm saying? They it's the kids forever.
Speaker 1:But if you looking at the and it's generational wealth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and if you looking about at the beast behind the machine that, kris Jenner, she got what four businesses for each kid, 10% off top for each business also probably got in is the head of all of the businesses.
Speaker 1:And one of them you don't even see. At all Market it got mad businesses and don't even what's Rob?
Speaker 2:Rob.
Speaker 3:Well, like you said, what is it? Can you appreciate the art and not like the artist? Sure, absolutely. No, that's very fair you know I have my reservations about the family, but there is no doubt that she is good at what she does and is able to spin and make some money. Shake honey, do your thing.
Speaker 4:But I think her formula, and even though she might not be everyone's cup of tea, she hasn't done maybe she's scaled it. So I'll say that she's scaled it in current times, current climates, but Michael Jackson and his mama, Selena, and her daddy, like this mom of Michael Jordan, michael. Jordan and Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1:Joe.
Speaker 4:Jackson had them kids out there on the circuit, Like. So the momager you know, I think the blue print yeah she definitely scaled it, but also like there were it's a different time, right so, but even when you look back to like a Joe Jackson or whatever, like commercials, endorsements, product deals I was just looking up Jason Weaver- yesterday and the whole story about how, for Lion King, he was originally just supposed to sing the songs.
Speaker 4:Then they came back. Disney said we want you to actually beat a voice of Semba. They offered him $2 million upfront, no residuals. His mom had enough wherewithal to say if y'all are willing to offer $2 million upfront, no residuals, then I know this is worth a lot more than this. So she negotiated down to where he got like maybe a hundred thousand upfront, but over time, with the success of that movie and the residual checks he still eats off of because they have theme parts, they have products, they have retail, they have so much it was such a huge success that he's exceeded that $2 million that they initially offered him. But he credits his mom with seeing the long, the end game and playing the long game versus like the end set. So I guess what I'm saying is like in the current climate, like she looks like the goat of momagers, but really this whole concept and to a certain extent is pimping out your kids, like pimping out your kids' talents for a profit, but that's the thing they have no talent.
Speaker 2:That's the point is, these don't got no talent and they said we gonna put your name on here and I'm gonna sell this thing, everybody else their talent is their.
Speaker 4:Their mom Is their talent. Their talent is their. The public's fascination with the family.
Speaker 2:The reason that that's there is because of her. They don't really have those skillset. They don't. Come on, let's be clear it's called witchcraft.
Speaker 4:Oh my God, all right, the whole techs have the channel. They're in the building.
Speaker 3:No, look it up, she used to years ago she was putting out a candle. I don't remember if it was a candle. She had some kind of product that she was selling on TV and it was like a witchcraft or a witch based product. Now, I'm not against witchcraft per se, you know, I am a openly spiritual person. I believe in God and all the things. I'll just put it out there for those listening. But I am, you know, I notice and I am open to different things. But you know, you have to be careful with certain types of ways. Mm-hmm. So I definitely think there's some darkness there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I said it Okay and Scene.
Speaker 3:Y'all are under a spell.
Speaker 2:Okay then, well, there's that on that. Buy your candle and get your kids rich.
Speaker 3:I mean I'm gonna find it, I found it it said yes, I looked it up, I found it.
Speaker 2:That's what I said. Okay and scene. They said it's a hundred dollar magic candle Kris Jenner was selling on.
Speaker 3:That witch year girl.
Speaker 2:I don't know what year to say. I'm trying not to play it so that you don't Magic from where. It's an infomercial.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:A healing candle from way back in the day when she this looked. No, no, into 2000s, honey. This is wigged up. Oprah Winfrey okay.
Speaker 1:So what is the craft? What is the witching?
Speaker 2:Yeah, early 90s, late 90s, early 2000s.
Speaker 1:Cause she that's no.
Speaker 3:No, what I'm saying is sure she had the candle right, but what I'm saying is she's got the ability to cast spells is what I'm saying, and I think she's cast the spell on people in the hype around her kids. There is no like I'm not gonna say that they don't have any talent, because a business acumen is talent. You know what I mean how you market, how you do certain things. Those are talents and she's got it.
Speaker 1:Do her kids have it. That's the point I do though.
Speaker 4:Their talent is their ability to be relevant without a talent. But that's magic, but that's her, that's your public assist that's your agent, that's your
Speaker 2:manager that's your PR. Who is all?
Speaker 4:your mama, you know. I blame the public, I blame the people for having an interest in people.
Speaker 2:But that goes back to social media right. That goes back to social media. That goes back to access, the amount of access people have. Right, people don't even make decisions anymore. They just hop on a bandwagon, stay on it and ride that bitch to the wheels fall off. That's what the first is like. I don't know, coming up with your own perspective of something like, I think, is that's all social media, that's all socials, that's access that we have to these people and it creates some type of like.
Speaker 1:Speaking of social media.
Speaker 2:Speaking of social media and the followers and things. So you know, lately, the way that we've been consuming fashion, the way that we see street style, has really been amplified to get through social media. And social media IE or Instagrams and your Pinterest have now created a space for you to consume fashion at a different Capacity or a different level. And so I really want to know how has social media affected you all's personal style, if at all? I mean, I think we consume enough of it that it has in some way, but you know how. What does that look like for you?
Speaker 4:I would say it's given me an opportunity to see people who I feel like have similar either body structure or similar Aesthetic, and it helps me. And seeing it on them of like, oh shoot, I could do that, I could pull that off. Or oh, I like the way they put these things together. Or exposure to brands or whatever that I might not have ever been exposed to or didn't know. So there are a couple of people that I let's call them out. Yeah, tanika B, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:I really like her.
Speaker 4:I found her just through I don't know the algorithm and she used to always do these color-blocking moments and, like all of her videos and her ensembles were just very vibrant and bright and cheerful and Feminine and I just kind of started like following her from that. And then she did a Collaboration with Amazon and had her own light drop to come out and I purchased a few of her pieces from there.
Speaker 1:So and it's T E N I C K a, b as in boy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, tanika B. So I really, and then once I got to, once that drew me in, the bright, pretty colors drew me in, then I just really started to appreciate like she's a wife, she's a mother, she travels a lot, you know, I just saw different things like that. So that's kind of how I use my social media in terms of, like, personal style and just getting inspiration.
Speaker 1:So you prefer Instagram over any other.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, I'm y'all got the Autumn apps for a separate thing you got your what's some things called the ones like the white board move. But yeah, all of my stuff I got Instagram and Facebook, that's it. They see, I don't have no Tic-Tac Tumblr.
Speaker 1:Tumblr. I have it all too. I use.
Speaker 4:Pinterest. Oh my god, I hate Pinterest. I never figured it out, I never figured it out.
Speaker 1:I am a 50,000 pins type of girl. I got all the move or by luck. Pinterest is so important For me as a costume designer because it manages your brain and all the compartments that you have open in your head. You get to manage them and put them in Compartment folders. That's what printers is for the ADD.
Speaker 4:Oh See, I feel like I have ADD as well self-dinos. But I, my brain, doesn't want all of these different places to store information, so, and I'm kind of like a Old dog that don't want no new tricks. So I'm like, if I can screenshot and create a folder and drop this all here it's doing. The same thing is organization for my mind. I just don't need or want.
Speaker 1:It's an extra step. Mm-hmm. I have style pages ranging all the way from 2013. Pinterest is probably my Instagram. Like how you guys use Instagram, I use Pinterest. I use it for my recipes and you know my interiors this but in terms of style, I am super Visual. But if I do not know what to wear to some event, I Go to my Pinterest mood board, go to my glam night out mood board. And and I look through all the things that I have pinned specific to what I'm doing.
Speaker 4:It is so important.
Speaker 1:I use it for Instagram, so for the listeners. For those of you that do not know, costume designers have to create mood boards for almost every job, if every job, and we get a lot of our inspiration from the images that you guys put out there, the images that Instagram, pinterest, google, that a girl next door anybody puts out there. So Sometimes it's very difficult because every job is different, so we use these, these Social medias, to just kind of do the thing for us.
Speaker 1:You know I use the Instagram to like save it. You know, if I see something cool, like some Tom Brown situation, I'll save that and then I'll go back to all my say do you do that? I see you go to all back to all your saved images. Then you put into a moveable no, I'm not for work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how do you build your mood boards? I know there's a way to build your mood warrants without Pinterest, but like, are you doing? It the hard way. How do you do?
Speaker 4:I probably am, but my self-diagnosed neurodivergent brain needs to do it the way I already know, like, and I'm trying to stretch myself even in the season of like, learning new things Like canva and different. You know other mediums that are out there. But, yeah, no, I'm probably doing it very much so old-school way of like search engine, google, hashtags, keywords, but once you get the hashtags, what are you doing? So once I find the image, then I will save that image and I will add it to my Okay, you're saving it within the Instagram's Okay.
Speaker 4:No, I might save, just save the photo, and then I'm.
Speaker 2:Like screenshot and then post it somewhere.
Speaker 4:Yeah, okay, because like I've never at least from a professional standpoint created a board in Pinterest and presented that to the producers directors, anything like that. So for me I'm gonna have to copy and paste this into some type of whiteboard or, you know, pdf or canva or whatever it is. So why even do the extra step of Pinterest when I know I'm gonna have to bring it over to?
Speaker 1:Oh cuz, you can go back to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then also.
Speaker 1:But it's all in one space too.
Speaker 2:So, if you build a character, like you know, somebody gives you the descriptions for the character, you type in all the things, you save all the pins and then when you go back you can see it as a concise story, because I still like, will screen grab it and put it into Like a camo board and build it out, but just in order to see it all together, get the inspiration or whatever kind of copy and paste it from there and see it.
Speaker 2:All the one person is going to Google and you have to type it in. You got to go back and it ends up being like a whole thing sometimes.
Speaker 1:Okay, try it though what about you Sheet? You got some personal style. Wait, do we answer the question?
Speaker 4:No, I don't know, hi, y'all got on shit.
Speaker 2:No answer. No, I mean it's Pinterest and social media. I don't have just always Instagram.
Speaker 3:Me personally, my go-to is Instagram that's my number one that I'm just on all the time and Pinterest I do love Like. So when it comes to move boards, I definitely use Pinterest first. If I'm like doing a personal style for someone, I'll ask them you know who's your style muse? And then go through and just find different looks of that particular person. And then even for me, like Mia, I do the same thing. I've got hair move boards for different things, for like photo shoots for myself, for whatever I might have going on night out, et cetera, et cetera. I've got a move board for it and I'ma look, i'ma see my nails, whatever, I'm gonna look and see what I have. So social media definitely gives you where you didn't have years ago, like when you would go visit New York oh, you know, only New York got this. Or you go LA, only LA has that and it still exists. But now you have access and you get to see what they have on, as opposed to having to travel there.
Speaker 3:So, it's definitely influenced and that way you have way more access to different style and I do love that about it. I have my girls that I follow. Shakita Garcia she's my favorite. I don't necessarily dress like her, but I just love how she's so adventurous. Her Instagram handle is the modern housewife or housewife NYC. Oh yeah, I love how she plays with color. It's so much drama and she makes it look good together. I love what she does and how she has fun with fashion. Terrell Dominic I like what she does, her style aesthetic.
Speaker 3:Chris Cavallari she has like that cute shape, very sexy shape, but you know she does like pops of designer or pops of very statement pieces with her sexy silhouette, shapely silhouette, so I like that. You know there's some other girls out there too, and our girl, you know we shot her all day. So I gotta show love to Sophia Shoesluts Shoesluts on Instagram. What I love about her she's just always having fun with fashion. She doesn't take it too seriously, and that's something that I've learned, like you just gotta appreciate it and enjoy it, and what somebody else does is for them. You know, I love it. I love that we have so much access to see different style on social what's up with you, zee Zee.
Speaker 2:In general, I don't really have like one or two people that I follow to kind of like, track their vibe. I do like the old ladies on Instagram and I'll come back and let you know which ones I like, but I like following, like the. There's like a little lady in South Africa she's super fly. Little lady in Greece. I'm gonna give you these tags because this sounds real crazy of me to do.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I, like you know, just getting the inspiration. I've been using Instagram and Pinterest more so lately, now that I'm getting into a different space in my career and having conversations even with you all, for the history of it all and to learn a little bit more of the technical, more serious side of fashion. I think I'm finding a lot of inspiration and like the history of these designers and like watching the Farragamo documentary or the Balenciaga documentaries and things like that I kind of I would like to learn. So that's kind of how I've been utilizing social media and then also I haven't I've never really been a designer girl, so learning the history behind it has helped me put a little bit more value into the pieces that I might have from those designers, like because I'm like, oh, but did you know? Da, da, da, da, da, da, da da, and I can talk about it more than just like carrying the bag with the monogram.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying, or rocking the skirt, having the history lesson behind it gives it more value to me. So I think that's what I've been utilizing social media for is like following these people who have the information and seeing how trends have developed over time and seeing how you know, all these little history lessons are really cool to me. So that's kind of how I've been utilizing my social media to kind of influence my style or just my fashion brain, you know, and kind of expand the conversations that I've been having. I think that's been the biggest thing and really I got that from working on the game. Really we would sit in the office and me and Winter would be like, oh, and then this history lesson on that back back in the day and do you know that came from? And I was like these bitches, low and low, they know a lot.
Speaker 3:They know their history. They know their history.
Speaker 2:And coming from a space where, like I graduated from Howard with a degree in marketing, I was in the marketing world before I even came to costumes and film and television. So I'm always in the space of like, trying to learn more and be able to hold my own and have these conversations. So I think that has been the biggest tool for me when it comes to social media and fashion. And using the same thing like Pinterest, being able to look at Copenhagen's fashion show or seeing what hit the runway, or having the conversations like don't this look like that? Like being able to tie those things in kind of adds value to what fashion already is and personal style already is. So I think not. I think that is exactly how I'm using my social.
Speaker 1:That's important to say too, Because I mean there's so much behind it.
Speaker 2:We were talking about George last week and like the simple history of George or you know what is the tabbies? Or like you know, all of those things add value. Like who knew the shoe was actually about balance.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It actually helps your equilibrium, Like I thought it'd be uncomfortable and make you feel stupid. You know, but Japanese people, that's how they. They had the thong shoe because it helped with balance and all of the things.
Speaker 1:And they're very comfortable.
Speaker 2:Reflexology and they're comfortable. Who knew? I probably would have never worn them if I didn't have. I mean, I still ain't got none, I'm gonna get some. You know, I probably would have never considered it if I didn't have that backstory or that history. So that's kind of how I've been utilizing it.
Speaker 4:Iris Atful.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, iris Atful, she just turned 102,. Yes, she's a classic.
Speaker 2:She is definitely one of the older mans.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna try to find the German ladies. She's a maximist too. Very much so.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she is, but she's so.
Speaker 4:She does it well. I know that stuff is heavy on her little frame.
Speaker 2:That's why she be sitting down Right.
Speaker 1:She is 102.
Speaker 2:Oh Grace Graham, oh no, grace Gannon.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we follow her on Instagram. Oh, that must be you, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know she's such a cute older lady and she's like with her little silver hair, and she'd be prancing, peruse and wearing shit that, like you know, 20 something will wear, you know.
Speaker 1:I like it.
Speaker 2:I like it.
Speaker 1:I can tell you I'm starting to get away from following a lot of influencers, Because I don't know if y'all have noticed because, speaking of social media style, I'm also, like I said before, a big YouTuber. When I say YouTuber, I don't have a YouTube page, but every Saturday morning I get my cup of coffee while the family's still asleep and I turn on all the style pages, all the interior design pages, and I just sit there and watch you know, a day in the life of whomever.
Speaker 1:But anyway, what they're doing is with these influencers. They are, these brands are taking them, putting them into the fashion weeks with their clothes on. So it's not something that they when I say there, like, let's say, ghani, for example, ghani will hire the YouSfs, which are great sisters, east African beautiful young ladies, but they will take them and they put them at the Ghani show and say, hey, wear this. So it's not their original idea, it's Ghani's idea.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they have stylists that come in and dress them before they have they have PR agents. Now you know they have. I think Sheika sent you over an agency that specializes strictly in social media influencers Interesting. So it's not. It's not. It doesn't feel natural.
Speaker 3:It's starting to feel forced.
Speaker 1:It's starting because you notice that all of them are now wearing the same things.
Speaker 2:But is that not the same thing as our celebrity, their celebrity counterparts, like, if we're talking about the people outside of like a Tracy Ellis Ross, somebody, or you know, the girls outside of these people who we know have particularly strong style sense in their own, you know, they have their own sovereignty and have, like, advocated for themselves in these style spaces, is that not like the same thing If we're talking about like a Ryan Destiny and her stylist and we say, oh, her style is so fly. She's not an influencer, she's an actress. But then really we're giving credit to the stylist, the stylist, right?
Speaker 1:Well, you know. I mean you know where they started from. They started social media and all those influencers came from that street style era where you had the Tommy Tons and the Phil O's taking pictures of people outside of fashion week. And Winters gonna hate when I say this, but we've actually set out in those fashion set outside some fashion week shows and got cute and stood out there and waited for our pictures to get taken, as you should. You know so we were, because that happened in like the mid 2000s, early 2000s or whatever when that era came. So that's no more.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so now it's taken away from like everyone starting to look alike. So that's the bad end of the social media and that personal style cause. Everyone's taking it and saying, ooh, I saw the girl with those little, cute little silver gazelles, or what are they? Is it Wells Bonner?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The Adidas, and I see all the girls and this is how they're wearing it. They all wearing it the same exact way, you know. So it's now, it's like I don't know.
Speaker 4:I was gonna say I don't see no difference between Orion, destiny or Lori, harvey or Normani, or they could all literally shop in each other's closets, which I guess is what the point in y'all are making. But you have to have all of these people have stylist, right, and you want to fall into what is hot, right. So how many times have we looked at someone who is leaning to their own personal style and say she looked like trash, that's what she liked, that's her personal style, this is what she might have wanted to put together and she thought was cute. But because you are a celebrity or influencer or whatever, you're kind of forced to go with the status quo, because unless you have mastered the art of individual style, branded yourself as such.
Speaker 4:So let's say, a Janelle Monet and a 999 and a 2000s and her signature look and you are now like everybody knows that's your thing and we've accepted it, and now we think it's fly because it's your thing. But I guess the point I'm making or introducing to the conversation, is when someone decides I don't need a stylist, I put this together myself or this is what I like now outside of, like tailoring and making sure it looks neat and well put together. But oftentimes when we see someone leaning to their own understanding of what they like, if it doesn't fit in with their brand, if it doesn't fit in with what is hot right now, we trash it. Are we trash it? Yes, so I'll say so.
Speaker 4:Brandy, brandy the singer, brandy the singer A lot of people hate Brandy's personal style. I think that she is, she so like okay. So when we saw we were all watching Brandy versus Monica, versus like two three years ago and everybody was looking at Monica and she was fended out down to the socks, and then we had Brandy, who you know was more true to herself and her like a little boho chic vibe or whatever like that, and the juxtaposition of those two, everybody's like damn, monica, look good. What the hell Brandy got on?
Speaker 2:And is that the but? Is that the, the, the people? You know what I'm saying is that, like the, the, the every day.
Speaker 4:People that was all on a group chat together. The people is okay, but I'm just saying like and I'm even orgy. There was a moment.
Speaker 2:Okay, but was that her personal style? Do she dress?
Speaker 1:We don't know that, so the difference is social influencers got hot because they did have personal style and that is what they were doing.
Speaker 4:So you're saying that I don't think so because some of them got hot because you cute. You got a big booty. You got a lot of followers like I don't see, I'm not talking about that. So where's about style?
Speaker 1:style, style like fashion, influencers, fashion and fashion, sorry, okay, anyway, like to make a be your girl. She got hot because you're watching her put those clothes on.
Speaker 1:Right now, if you see, to make a be, and then all of, and she, she had her own thing right and now you're seeing not her, but let's just put her in for a second conversation. You see, and to make a be, you see, and Jenae B, b, and you see, and did it, and they all got their own shit and they all got that same look cute dress on where to make a be. You just go to her and be like damn, she put that together and she's so cute. And now you got everyone else you know, maybe the same thing.
Speaker 2:And now the other people who follow her and now the influencers, when she was really the influencer and because they're making money to make a be is making money.
Speaker 1:Now, you know. Now she's got to say okay, so got me gonna put this on me today, even though this ain't even I'm not even a girl.
Speaker 2:I'm not a girl.
Speaker 1:You know I'm more, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:So you're saying it's taking some of the sovereignty away from the individual design style?
Speaker 1:The style, yeah, and.
Speaker 3:I do think there are definitely influencer. There are influencers who are true to their brands. Definitely true to themselves and they only work with brands that they feel like speak to their style and I think that's something to keep in mind. Everybody's not like that, you know. With listen, get your money.
Speaker 2:With that same level of like, pass it, I'm gonna give you the money and you put it on and now you influence and people in a certain direction. We also have this like fast, fast, fast fashion craze like your shins over developing, because this also might attribute to everybody wearing the same thing is, if you could get this as she in for 255, you might have to wait two weeks for it. You know I'm saying three weeks and it's the same thing everybody else had on. You know, I'm saying all of the people got dressed and they're like People got dressed in the same outfit. Put it on Instagram as a influencer sponsored by she in we're unboxing and now everybody in the street and fashion over and now everybody's wearing the things you know. Like, what space do? This is adding another question what space does the she ends in the fast fashions have in manipulating the trend or over saturating the?
Speaker 1:trend. Oh my gosh, the majority of people who are shopping are wanting to buy the things for the love. I mean. I see Not, this is not for you.
Speaker 4:Literally. No, no, no, I'm ready to jump in here.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, because you you mentioned not too long ago about these fast, you know, being able to buy the things for cheaper when we talked about those Moomoo ballet flats, now the she and there's, like all these other prices that we do pay because of that. You know, you, you, you risk the fact that your, your feet may have fungal matter growing out of it because of the chemicals they're using. You know what I mean, like why those ballet flats cost five dollars Coming from China, like there's something, something right. You know to me about this fast fashion. She is in the fashion Nova's and they got this thing where the coochies. Now they write no more because there's so many the coochie.
Speaker 1:Oh, they got, because they got the chemical chemicals in our clothes and our clothing yeah, because they don't care. They don't care, but we're buying. This stuff is crossing the Indian Ocean, then Atlantic Ocean, then the Pacific Ocean, to get here in two weeks to open up that bag and it's smell like plastic under the foot. Stop it.
Speaker 2:It's like a chemical plant in the bag and we're, we're caught again.
Speaker 1:For the listeners, we're costumers, people. So we have opened many of boxes with she and and and it ain't right. Yeah, I'll be careful.
Speaker 4:So I will say that she and fashion Nova forever 21. Miss God it boohoo. Miss God it. Pretty little thing.
Speaker 1:Little thing.
Speaker 4:All of those vendors are fast fashion. Nobody is saying they are green piece. They are not going to save the earth. If anything, they are making it burn faster and hotter. They probably have some child labor law violations and fair wages to their employees. However, they still have a place in the market. Now I'm not saying it, you know, from a moral standpoint, if you strongly stand 10 toes down and like I can't purchase or support these vendors because of all the other things, then I Get that and I respect that, the. The question is what? Where?
Speaker 2:What about the longevity of your clothes? Well, that's the thing, okay, so let's talk about that.
Speaker 4:You're you're too there all, all of those vendors have trendy clothing. They are not statement. You want to have 10 years from now pieces. They're not classic pieces. It's like y'all say cargo pants are in this year, okay, here's some cargo pants and we're gonna, you know, do it up with cargo pants until somebody says cargo pants are out, skinny jeans are back in. So when it comes to fast fashion, it is only because you want to get what is trendy or hot off in that season that is hot and then you're not going back to that anymore.
Speaker 4:So the low for the low, so you don't and you don't even value it, which is why we have so much clothes and stuff and landfills and stuff like that. Because it's like, okay, I bought these 1099 cargo, not sustainable, because cargoes were hot last year, I Ward from one season, I don't want to know more and because I only paid 1099 for it. I'm about to just throw them away or give them a good will, or whatever.
Speaker 2:I don't throw away on your body because, the way I remember, in college I wore a Jump suit from she and that was all I could afford. I got to the club, I did a little tup tup and my whole Brazilian part.
Speaker 3:They'll see me just when I tell you that.
Speaker 2:That little string then came straight out the seam and my whole Little a cups was out to the world thinking tired night and I was like I'm not leaving. I paid $80 for this party and $5 for this jumpsuit I already cost more than the job.
Speaker 3:Okay, but different days I feel like with. The thing to me, though, is with she and is. She is to me is is it not a lot cheaper than even pretty little thing? Boo and Fashion of it's cheaper than that, like those brands like yes, but they're all fast. Yes, they are all fast fashion, but I think the issue with she and is it might be a little worse because they, you know, referring to the L article, and can you tell me who's the author?
Speaker 2:Ava Guiltrace.
Speaker 3:Ava Guiltrace. The name of the article is the true cost of she and is one where Australia.
Speaker 1:Yes, excuse me, okay.
Speaker 3:L Australia. The true cost of she and is one we're not willing to pay and it speaks to. It speaks to the child labor issues, them only having one day off, all for a little piece of fabric. That when your nipples are gonna show after dancing and sweating for two minutes yeah, or you see a skin gonna itch.
Speaker 2:You know I'm saying, you start itching, you're breaking out. Yeah, you know what I'm saying have them from it in 30 years.
Speaker 3:You worry about the foods you eat, but damn, I gotta worry about what I got put on too, and and and and learning about how clothing and different materials it affects your vibration as well. So, like when you start getting into all these like Materials, spandex and all these different things- Plastic and some of their materials to make these clothes.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so my only thing is Are we keeping that same energy? Do we have that same level of transparency with all of these other?
Speaker 4:There's been designer brands that have come out, or that have had the same ethical and moral issues that we're talking about. So that's what I'm saying like we, we put the magnifying glass on. You know she and you know even, even in comparison to like a pretty little thing or a fashion Nova, but like the industry as a whole is not a moral, ethical, unless you're talking about some Sustainably. You know pick cotton, you know type of retailer or something like they're, they're all, and they will even slap a sustainable, you know tag on something that they know they got. You know a sweatshop back in India doing and you know.
Speaker 4:So that I guess my only thing is like keep the same energy across the border and do yeah with every brand and I don't think that people Ever really like do a deep dive into like well, what Tommy Hilfiger factories look like or what they're saying, or the why you wearing this Balenciaga when we they talking, they doing some real weird stuff over there, you know.
Speaker 2:So I feel like, I feel like, but that's, you know. That is something that we should be. We are using this platform to be like. Let us Say that this is not just a one-sided Conversation. If we are holding, like you said, honing the onus on a she in, the same thing goes for a Lulu lemon who has for forever.
Speaker 2:Chemicals in the country day pants and women are if you are, you know, if women are suffering from ovarian cancer and all these things, not to say that that has been tied to each other. But we have to be very particular about the things that we're putting in our bodies and on our bodies, because I mean they all affect your livelihood and I want to ask life.
Speaker 4:I want to ask how much do we keeping it real, as consumers, care? Because how many Lulu lemon stores have closed since we found out this? How many people have gone back to buying Gucci After they did something racist? How long? Like? Our outrage is so temporary, our Care of these issues is so fickle and temporary. In the end, at the end of the day, these, these places, these businesses, these companies still exist and they not hurting for it. So it's for us as consumers, like again, and I feel like most people who have strong feelings on the ethical side of fashion and clothing and all of that is the minority, and those people aren't going to shift the change that's needed for these people for these companies to say you know what, let's show up and let's have safer products and and garments and all of that.
Speaker 4:So, like, I don't know like where we going with this conversation when, like we always, return especially as a community, as a people, as a, as a culture, we always still Return to the people who we already know ain't good for us right.
Speaker 2:So I think that's that's when you hold someone to, you have to hold it. We have to hold ourselves to task right when we're having these conversations and then also we can hold our larger audience or whatever to tasks, to say like you have to have some consumer integrity. Whatever your value system is, and you know, if you can talk about it, be about it. If you feel some kind of way like I don't, do she it. You know what I'm saying. I don't spend no money out a little in me either. That ain't really my thing, you know. And as even designers or consumers for a mass basis, can we have that integrity for us to Choose other options? Like I know there are shoe. I've been to shoe stores and I've been pushing like all birds. They do returns up to Infinity and you could return them shoes and they recycle the shoes and that's important. So whenever I go out and I go shopping, I always bring to the designer like hey, we can do a soup bohemian because they're black on minority owned.
Speaker 2:We can purchase from all birds because we can return them whenever, so it's a benefit to you, but also they recycle all of their material. Like there are things that we can do and have done as individuals that you can hold to task to people. You don't have to change the world, but if you change your mind and make small decisions on your like consumer integrity to match your value system, you know you can change one mind, it's okay.
Speaker 1:And if you use that Go ahead, no, go ahead. I was just gonna say it's also about exposure, like we don't know this is happening for real, but we do, though, we do, but we didn't like, if we can put the magnifying glass on a particular brand, then we should just be at, like you said, as uh, consumers.
Speaker 4:We say we who you talking about, because I'm I'm just saying not us in the room, the same people, the majority, the us. I don't know if they do Not.
Speaker 2:A lot of people care. A lot of people that's not their wheelhouse to even have access to.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying they're so caught up with the fact that these shoes cost five dollars that they're not caught up with what it took to make these five dollar shoes. Some little bitty hand two-year-old in china Putting their fingers on these shoes like that doesn't mean anything, they're just. We're caught up in the price because we are america, we are capitalistic society and we trying to get things for the love because they look.
Speaker 1:Those shoes look just like the balenciaga boom, boom, whatever that they just put out. So we don't get in. I think it's more when I say we don't care, it's like the exposure is Not there. Yeah, so I don't think we're exposed enough, because I, honestly, when I read the article I was like, yeah, damn Do you got people putting in the article. So there's this lady that says someone's putting, help me in the back of those tags.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's it with crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're saying help me, like someone's over there like stressing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that's worth raising an eyebrow and in questioning yeah, because we are global citizens.
Speaker 4:I was just gonna say in closing who was it who had, uh, the sweater with the big red lips? Was that gucci a couple years ago?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but there is another. There's a Another idea of what was they were really.
Speaker 4:Oh, no, no, yeah, no I because Initially I didn't take that as like blackface right. Or there was even katie perry had some shoes with some red lips and there was like, oh, katie perry has blackface shoes.
Speaker 2:Blackface shoes. That's a while they were, they pulled them, they pulled them.
Speaker 4:Um, from from whoever she had macy's deler to whoever I was going with this is that, like we all knew that even h&m had a like a racist moment, right, so we all kind of knew that. And how many of us still have shopped at h&m post that, how many of us Still own gucci in this room? And if any of y'all Feel that uh strongly about it, I will uh gladly accept your gently used gucci items.
Speaker 2:Well, also, if you didn't spend that money on it, the money was spent. But also, to wrap it all up, because, we are getting to the end of our time. I think the biggest thing is for us. It is we can take the opportunity to spread awareness and utilize our platforms to talk to these things.
Speaker 2:And then the charge for the takeaway for the greater community and ourselves as people who are consumers of these items Is to really just make sure if there is another option. If we are not putting the voice to the other option that has some kind of integrity in their offering, then we're doing a disservice to the larger community or even to this conversation.
Speaker 2:And if we're not trying at least doing the small things, and then for the greater community, if this is part of your value system, then are you really being about your shit to purchase from these places? Don't talk about it and don't be about it.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm, you know that same energy, keep that same energy.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you all very much for listening to our episode 5 of the we8 podcast. Like we always say, like, subscribe, follow us at we8podcast On instagram, tell us how you feel. If there's anything that you want us to tackle, talk about. We have our ears to the streets and we'll see you next week. Bye, bye.